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  tore up a wt and awake mag

  by megaflower in

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  my sister had the jw's at her house today.

  she arrived home just as they where leaving.

  they left the magazines with her teenage son.

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  Bring_the_Light

  Well, good theater to be sure, but let me suggest an alternative?

  Invite them IN!!!!

  Never done this with Witnesses, but in college Mormons came a' callin' when my girlfriend and I were doing homework and talking philosophy and religion. She turned them away at first, but I got an idea, i ran to the door and said "sorry about that guys, comon' in!!!". We then proceeded to destroy faith in beliefs the poor bastards probably didn't even know they believed, until they knew it was crap as per our enlightenment. We made the younger one cry a little to himself, he asked to "use the bathroom". It was magnificent.

  If you tell them you wanna talk to them, they'll freakin' talk to you, and the "oops gotta shun them" reflex doesn't apply to preaching, they KNOW wordlings don't know 'the truth' yet, so they'll keep hackin' away regardless of what you say. Its your one shot to make the bastards hear you. They pretty much "must" talk to you if they came to YOUR door to preach to YOU. You let them in, they are yours. bwahahaha!
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  So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?

  by nicolaou in

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  i had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.

  in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.

  i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..

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  Bring_the_Light

  11 years old. I don't remember why, but I was feeling insecure about life in general (not about "the truth"). I laid in my bed and prayed to Jehovah telling him that I want to know "the Truth" to "really understand".

  I basically didn't understand why people behave the way they do, I always felt like people were either super ignorant or else knew something I didn't and I couldn't decide which, but "something was going on" that I wasn't a party to, because I couldn't understand. I asked Jehovah to fill me in, it was the most sincere, intense prayer I ever prayed. I shit you not, Jehovah answered my prayer, when I woke up the next morning I didn't "believe" anything. I don't mean I was somehow disappointed, and so started to doubt, I mean the entire sense of "believing" anything left me and I became completely agnostic about everything, religion and even basic assumptions any person would make about life. I began to feel like the most mundane things were completely insane, just existing felt like a combination of a miracle and a nightmare. Life is extraordinary, specifically because it is a mystery. Nothing is "normal". 27 years ago, I didn't exist, now I do and am made of matter, the same stuff everything else is made of, in less than 60 years I will probably die without any idea how that happened. Whatever it is, I'm sure it is not a tradgedy, so i do not miss faith in god. If you knew me during my later High School days, you'd remember me as that wierd kid who would blurt things out like "Reality is very, very real".

  Sit quietly someplace, sometime, and just think about "how real" the world around you is. Maybe you'll understand what I mean.

  Every day since has been a naked journey, looking at what generations of people have thought before me, trying to draw my own conclusions/decisions, and being absolutely sure I know nothing and this life is more extraordinary, strange, terrible and wonderful than I think most people understand. We were impossible, everything we have thought about what we are is probably bullshit, and here we are, what are we? "Spiritual enlightenment" and peace have come from completely losing my faith in god. Its not a sad thing somehow, its liberating.

  It is what it is regardless of what you think about it - Mortimer Adler

  It is the fool who knows everything, the truly wise know that they know nothing - No idea who said that, but I would guess he/she was an agnostic.

  Oh, and on JW's specifically, in college my "this isn't truth" solidified to "this is a cult" because I came to understand the parallels to every other kind of human dogma and control. I also lost a girlfriend who basically left me for not being a good JW (not sure how stuffing her tongue down my throat, sneaking around etc, puts her in any place to judge, but I didn't mind if she wasn't a good JW), seeing someone I loved reject me on the unspoken orders of the cult had a big effect. I was already gone by then though.

  There is nothing new under the sun. On Christianity in general, I truly cannot understand how anyone cannot understand that "sinning against god, so god has to sacrifice 'his only begotten son' to repay the debt uhh, to god" doesn't make any sense at all, is pretty much the stupidest transparent doublespeak I can imagine.

  My fundamental theorum on truth is that when i know the meaning of all things...... It is unlikely that I will think it is retarded, if god exists and punishes me for missing on this point so be it!!!

  ..... so then I'll go to hell!!! - Huckleberry Finn on deciding to break the law and help Jim escape his captors.
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  Patchy memories

  by Princess Daisy Boo in

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  i often think back to my childhood and discover that my memories are very patchy.

  names, faces, school teachers, things related to being a brought up as a dub.

  memories of some years are patchier than others - for example when i was about 10, we moved from the city that we had always lived to a small town, 2 hours drive away - we moved back to the city 3 years later - i remember very little of the first two years in that small town.. i seem to think that the years where the memories are patchy were times when i was quite unhappy.

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  Bring_the_Light

  Its interesting this has been brought up. I think I have an explanation which combines both JW and non-JW experience of this.

  For me, I spent long period of time, "WAITING" for some future time when my life would be better. Never living in the present, not having much to review about the past, and waiting for the time where I can change things. I experienced this with my life growing up as a JW (I hated my life, spent all my time thinking about what I'd do with "my life" when I turned 18). I remember my "rumspringer" years in college and shortly afterward extremely well, now after settling in a routine and a job, its blending together again.

  I would guess that the clarity of your memories is a function both of how often you revisit them, and also how "special" and "in them moment" you were when they formed.
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  Criticism worthy of your time

  by johnnyc in

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  as i read posts throughout this site, i became amazed at some of the criticism people have actually spent time creating, reading (as i did), and responding to.

  dont get me wrong, some of what i read are good issues that seem worthy (to me) of discussion, but to be honest, i find that 90% of the posts are based on ridiculous petty topics that are obviously tied to a sense of deep hatred of the wtbts.

  i can appreciate that some of the people who leave such post, and have this hatred, are taking their time to discuss such things as part of a therapeutic process to combat the fact they spent a large portion of their life dedicated to an organization they feel abandoned them at some point.

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  Whoa!!! They actually claim Jesus came back in 1914? I always knew that 1914 was the big trigger time, but I never realized it was supposed to be "the second coming".

  Yeah, if they didn't lose me at the idiot notion that all of human existance has been defined by some woman eating an apple, that BS would have done it for me.

  For me, the whole deal doesn't pass the stink test. Not a single piece of doctrine makes any sense to me. Not a one. Maybe "there might be a creator" everything else makes my head hurt its so stupid.

  Eating apple = cause of all human suffering ..... yeah, probably not

  Big Bang did not happen.... Gosh, I've been meaning to ask "when god made the universe in 1 day, what would that look like?" dumbasses can't even spin science into supporting their crap.

  Breaking Gods Rules leads to God sacrificing his own son to himself so WE can be forgiven....... I don't even understand why people don't recognize that doesn't make any sense at all, not even close.

  Pregnant woman claims she was impregnated by God (thus no suspicion that she may have been impregnated by a much more fleshly cock is necessary)...... Comon' now. Side point, isn't it pretty amazing that of the two statements 1. "Mary of Nazareth was a lying whore who has billions of believeing she is he mother of god's son today" and 2. "Mary of Nazareth was impregnated by God himself" exactly one of the two statements is for sure true?

  To further "the truth" it is necessary to not listen to what anyone who does not have the truth has to say. Listening to lies could damage the truth etc. "the truth" seems to require a lot of maintenance in my opinion. Most other kinds of truth don't need nearly so much help, I have noticed...

  Earth is ~6,000 years old.... No it actually isn't (I have a degree in Engineering)

  Dinosaurs lived same time as people.... nope.

  Don't go to college.... Yeah, um, that rule came about as they noticed college grads never came back....

  I still don't understand what exactly makes JW's the "ones" that get saved. Is it the believing, the obeying JW rules, having your name on the roster, the preaching to others? what exactly is different about a JW from a relatively unsinful non-JW? Is just "knowing" that A-Day is coming the major advantage?
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  Criticism worthy of your time

  by johnnyc in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as i read posts throughout this site, i became amazed at some of the criticism people have actually spent time creating, reading (as i did), and responding to.

  dont get me wrong, some of what i read are good issues that seem worthy (to me) of discussion, but to be honest, i find that 90% of the posts are based on ridiculous petty topics that are obviously tied to a sense of deep hatred of the wtbts.

  i can appreciate that some of the people who leave such post, and have this hatred, are taking their time to discuss such things as part of a therapeutic process to combat the fact they spent a large portion of their life dedicated to an organization they feel abandoned them at some point.

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  Bring_the_Light

  I agree pretty much completely with Johnnyc's comments. I was thinking exactly like him before I recently went back to see some friends for the first time in 10 years. I seriously thought I might join up just for shits and giggles and hang with old friends.

  What I found is complete brainwashed insanity that makes me believe this is a very harmful cult. People I knew, who were perfectly lucid people, just like me, are now litterally insane with zealousness. Like can't have a conversation without gushing at me about how critical it is that I start studying and get baptized etc. It got to a point where it was clear it was a condition before they would continue to talk to me. These are people i knew very, very well, not just the normal "avoid bad association" deal. I've never been baptized, apparently there is an expiration date on the "raised in the truth" waiver for not being baptized but also not being worldly.

  I dunno, the insanity of it, and the suffering it causes anyone who does not believe what is not true is plenty reason to be a virulant anti-JW, angry man. So I am. I'm very much a tolerant agnostic otherwise, its the loss of lucid thought/cult dogma and social/thought control that loses JWs my respect.
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  Being told that "Not all people will die at Armageddon"

  by Robert7 in

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  my wife, who while still (at least partially) in, is an open thinker, agrees with me for the most part, and has made a recent observation... .

  she brings up with her friends how it's difficult to believe that all non-jws, over 6 billion will die at armageddon.

  plus will die becuase they didn't accept some magazine.

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  Bring_the_Light

  Say, sorry to pollute your topic with an administrative question:,

  I made 2 topics, it tells me that I'm at my limit for a day or so, but I can't find my topics anywhere on the forum (was supposed to be in "friends"). Any ideas?
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  Being told that "Not all people will die at Armageddon"

  by Robert7 in

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  my wife, who while still (at least partially) in, is an open thinker, agrees with me for the most part, and has made a recent observation... .

  she brings up with her friends how it's difficult to believe that all non-jws, over 6 billion will die at armageddon.

  plus will die becuase they didn't accept some magazine.

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  Bring_the_Light

  Its my strong preference to die at A-time. I couldn't tolerate being without wordlings to hang with.

  Besides, if i ever saw a lamb and a lion eating vegetables side by side in real life , the stupidity of god would surely make me want to die at that point. I've never been clear, man sinned, so animals started eating eachother? WTF did the current prey species ever do to deserve that? Great White Sharks will use their hundreds of razor sharp teeth to filter plakton peacefully from the ocean I guess. Poor f'ers will be awefully hungry.. grrr. The downside of this is I keep thinking about new things to be agitated about.... ah well.
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  test

  by Bring_the_Light in

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  sorry for the dead topic.

  i posted a topic that didn't show up, just checking to see if this works..

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  Bring_the_Light

  sorry for the dead topic. I posted a topic that didn't show up, just checking to see if this works.
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  Long last letter to dad...please comment-not mailed yet

  by dawg in

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  dad, .

  i doubt youll even read this letter since it comes from your son, a son youve abandoned over your religious views, but i wanted to write you one final letter to see if theres any hope that you can come to your senses as far as this religion goes and we can renew our relationship.

  im doing this because i care for you and mom deeply and feel very much distressed that you two refuse to see anyones opinion as being factual other than your own when it concerns the jw religion.

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  Bring_the_Light

  I was thinking maybe you should try removing all of the factual attacks on JW doctrine. Make it completely a personal appeal. They are trained to clam up if the doctrine is attacked, I recently made this mistake when i met up with a very old friend, I expressed some of my frustrations with the Social Control aspects of the BS, and BAM, she totally shut down, will not talk, will not answer emails, nothing. Up until that moment it was like good old times. This was very surprising because I've been away 10 years and i don't remember that level of nuts, just a lower level of the same nuts. I guess things seem different when you're younger.

  FedEx etc is a great idea.

  I was blessed in that when i left, it inspired my Dad to leave too. I feel for you.
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  So here we are.......

  by Bring_the_Light in

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  this is very nearly the most awesomest thing i've ever found in my entire f''n life!!

  i found my people.

  please know i love you all and i wish terribly i had found you earlier.

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  Bring_the_Light

  This is very nearly the most awesomest thing I've ever found in my entire f''n life!! I found my people. Please know I love you all and I wish terribly I had found you earlier.

  I've been out and about in the world for 10 years. Raised in "the Spoof" for 17.5 years. Just got out of the Army National Guard, was thinking about life and have run around looking for old JW friends. The experience has been disturbing. I thought it was stupid and odd before, now the walls shake with insanity and many of my old friends have been lobotomized. It is the saddest thing I can even imagine. I am so glad I dodged the bullet on this crap.

  Rock n' Roll saved my soul from Jesus Christ

  Who's here from Minnesota??