Posts by hawkaw

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Answer to: Why do JW's come here against WT policy

by GodRules in

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believe it or not the motives are love, at least in my case.

i know that sometimes jw's on this board do not show that, but it goes the same with some ex-jw's too.. am i going against wt counsel?

yes, but i am willing to pay the price to help my fellow man, specially if i see that they blinded by resentment and are going contrary to jehovah's will.. why does the wt give the counsel to stay away from site such as this?

hawkaw

GR

You said:

No I do not talk to dfd people at the hall. I respect Jehovah's law

So let me, as a nonJW, get this straight - You won't talk to DFed JWs at the hall but you talk to them here? Did I get that right? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Oh, wasn't John in his second letter talking about those who are for all intensive purposes the "anitchrist" and don't believe in Jesus? Oh yeah, I forgot Jehovah (I mean the WTS) only told you to read lines 9 and 10 in the 2nd of John and not to read the entire letter. Most people around here (and those in your hall that are dfd) do not agree with only SOME of the doctrines spewed by the leadership but do believe in God and Jesus.

Just so you know - what you are practicing is creed bigotry (hate in one of its worse forms) - and for no good reason.

You tell me that you respect Jehovah's law - Don't you mean you respect the WTS's version of Jehovah's law until it changes, of course, to something else? I guess tacking to you means 180 degrees instead of less than 90 degrees - right?

Little kids are needlessly dying or do you even care - wake up!!!!

hawk

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WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

by hawkaw in

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some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?

part 2 - bloodvital for life.

hawkaw

Hi SnSM

The elders have enough wiggle room to DF anyone they don't like because of it

Does the word "it" mean "blood"? If one takes blood nowdays there is no disfellowshipping. A JW is automatically DAed if he/she knowinglying and without regard takes blood through certain transfusions - since April 2000 (published in the press but not published in any WT article to the R&F). That is why people like Dr. Sam Muramoto publish articles in medical journals trying to at least wake up the medical community about confidentiality. Lee Elder has told me that almost 50% of JWs change their minds and will accept banned blood products when, in the right atmosphere, the physican explains the "goods".

hawk

Edit Addition 11/07/01

"The Bottom line is" that little innocent kids are needlessly dying and its gotta stop!

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WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

by hawkaw in

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some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?

part 2 - bloodvital for life.

hawkaw

Great stuff Nic,

Keeping in mind I am not a JW, I have a question - when was Study 31 published and taught?

hawk

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Projectile Vomit Alert

by hawkaw in

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i just went down to queen's unversity here in kingston, ontario canada.

i am doing some research that i hope maximus, marvin and waiting will find interesting.. on the way out i got stopped by a lady who called herself "lilly".

she had a young man with her who had down sydrome.

hawkaw

Hi waiting,

I am typing this while working. I have three things on the go right now - on phone plus working on a case -plus trying my best to keep this up.

I don't really care if you are a male or female - I like all humans as long as they realize I have my moments of "glory" (aka stupidity). And I am really glad and honoured to write to you.

If you see me use the phrase "guys" - it is my lingo for talking to "all" people (male and female) in a crowd. Just a thingy I picked up years ago at university along with smoking. I stopped the smoking in 1994 but not the "lingo". If you become offended - let me know and I will stop.

Your comment on men and women in the dub halls is interesting. I have a wanna bee dub "she" friend who actually thinks that there is no discrimination of the sexes at the hall!!!!! I took particular pains in April 2000 in explaining the sex bigotry just like the sexual orientation and creed bigotry done by the WTS. But even after I said, she just doesn't think the sex dicrimination is real and is definitely not a big deal. How can you argue with that logic. As Farkel would say - she is intellectually lazy.

Anyway that occurrence did happen to me two days ago and it really upset me a little - the truly innocent not protected from a dangerous cult. BTW as you may have noticed in the other thread I went to another city nearby to where I lived and have held a couple of "test" conversations on the white blood cell issue with two "random" JWs doing their Saturday walk abouts. Just stunning to see their faces when I show them the PSC autographing procedure article. But I know that the "wall" will have been erected by now and stopped the cognitive dissonance.

Take care Waiting and like I said, now that Priestley is done, I now think I may (note the word "may") have another one that will really hit people hard on the WTS blood booklet issue. But like I said this will take some more time.

Take care - gotta go

hawk

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WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

by hawkaw in

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friends

some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?

part 2 - bloodvital for life.

hawkaw

Hi waiting,

Btw, what were you referring to, dear man?

I told you a few weeks ago in my Tertullian thread that I may have another one "cooking". Your comment back to me a few weeks ago in my Tertullian thread was:

Well, I'll be "waiting" patiently - and thus the meaning of my name - forever waiting on something or another.

Well the "Priestley deception" was "it". So like I said - I hope it was worth the wait.

Thanks

hawk

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Canadians

by Defender in

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i see that a lot of posters and possibly lurkers are from canada.. can you please mention briefly what part of canada you're from.

maybe some of us can get together.. i'll start; i am in vancouver.

hawkaw

Yer,

You have every reason to be worried about this Canadian - A non-JW who doesn't have to worry about shunning.

BTW - I have met and worked with staff who are employeed for the US Federal agencies such as the FBI, ATF, EPA and numerous state agencies. Good, honest people unlike what the press tries to portray lately.

hawk

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WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

by hawkaw in

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friends

some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?

part 2 - bloodvital for life.

hawkaw

Linkages

For those who "stumble" onto this thread, I have decided to link this thread with three other threads, which I think are important when it comes to the leadership misleading JWs and their little children on the life and death issue of blood.

Please note the following after you have read this thread:

Lee Elder's "Blood Update" Thread - Containing a link to Dr. Sam Muramoto's letter to CMAJ ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7831&site=3#96509

Maximus' - "Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit" Thread - Regarding Dr. Gorman and the Oct 15/00 WT QFR & Marvin Shilmer's Tertullian comments
( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6288&site=3#91041

hawk's - "Tertullian & June 15/00 WT on Blood" Thread - dealing with Tertullian and the writings of Eusebius on Biblis
( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7271&site=3#89926

Just click and go. These sites provide the actual WT quotes and then the actual quotes of the authors for you to compare.

hawk

p.s. - waiting - hope it was worth the wait

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Why Mainstreaming Will Win Part Two

by metatron in

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i have no quarrel with anyone who wishes to hope for the.

society's 'reform', i just want to draw attention to the .

real cause of change by distinguishing reform from mainstreaming.. when someone says 'reform', i think of brave reformers who.

hawkaw

Metatron,

Thank you very much for this information. Your posts always have an "edge" like no one elses. I am glad you came over here from H20.

On a side line you said:

remember when the Awake suggested that women's brains are smaller, on average?

I would love to get my hands on that article. I know just the person who needs to see that one. You wouldn't happen to be able to go into your CD Rom and copy that entire article onto this thread? - would you?

hawk

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WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

by hawkaw in

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friends

some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?

part 2 - bloodvital for life.

hawkaw

Hi Max,

No problem on the Email. I look forward to the WT rag and thanks in advance for sending it.

I love metatron's posts so I will look for them. I thought I might have read them but I am not sure. I will go back and look.

Take care and thanks to all of the others who have commented on this thread.

hawk

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WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

by hawkaw in

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friends

some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?

part 2 - bloodvital for life.

hawkaw

Max and Marvin.

You have brought up the hemoglobin issue very well.

I have found, that what throws the JWs is a calm conversation on the supposed ban on white blood cells.

As a test, I have now had two conversations with two different JWs (in a different city than where I live) on the subject of peripheral blood stem cell (PBSC) autografting done on a JW patient - ( http://www.ajwrb.org/physicians/muramoto-murky.html.

I explain that this is basically the same thing as a transfusion of white blood cells. The JWs just refuse to believe me. And then ....

I show them the Article Title: Clinical and ethical issues in the treatment of a Jehovah's Witness with acute myeloblastic leukemia. Source: Arch Intern Med 1997 Aug 11-25;157(15):1753-7 Author(s): Kerridge I; Lowe M; Seldon M; Enno A; Deveridge S

I take a copy of the article where ever I go now. After they read it, I again explain it is the same thing as a transfusion. Then, I ask the question - If the HIS and HLCs allows this banned blood product this way, why are they not allowing other types of white blood cell transfusions and the other banned products?

It jolts them, especially when I initally set them up with the thought that JWs will allow for the death of little children. (Thanks Dr. Sam Muramoto)

Oh, I think I may .... may have found another thingy that is similar to Joseph Priestley. But I think this is really going to take a lot of research. I will report on it when I am done.

I think the Priestly, Eusebius (Biblis), Tertullian, and especially the Gorman issues are excellent articles to show how the WTS decieves innocent parents who are willing to put their children to death. And I hope a lot of people are printing them off. I wonder if the WTS ever figured that Maximus and others would actually go looking for this stuff.

hawk