I've heard some jw's say that it's as apparent to them as knowing whether you are boy or girl .The WTBTS does state the partakers are not all anointed but there could be mental illness involved with some. Maybe they laid off that stance since the whole generation dogma is being recanted .
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My uncle is out of one cult
by JWdaughter inbut as is typical, seems to have hooked up with another (get rich quick/god wants you to be rich) kind of cult.
this is my uncle with mental problems.
after 3 divorces, mentally ill children coming out of his ears, my mom thinks him hooking up with this 'new religion' means that my uncle is nuts-really nuts.
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Yah sure , get rich quick , just convince people they should give you their money. Convince them that unless they do God cannot bless them and help them with their needs ........ disgusting what those type of religions do .
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Hell Does Not Exist
by megs inaccording to spong, not only does hell not exist, but neither does the divinity of christ, a theistic god, miracles, the redemptive property of jesus' death on the cross, his resurrection, his ascension, and many other things besides.
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Very nice bit of history leolaia but I was talking about the dantes inferno hell that christianity adopted at some point . The words death and hades are used in Revelation , the word hell being replaced for hades in some bibles but then they are thrown into the lake of fire , so I have to ask if hades is already a fiery prison for souls then how come it's destroyed in yet another lake of fire ? makes no sense to me .
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Awake August 2008 Hurricane Katrina
by bobld inmore than 5,600 homes of fellow believers and 90 kingdom halls damaged.robert one of the volunteers has this to say:"jehovah takes good care of his people".also he gave up his job of over 40 years,to clean offices.you would think that after 40 years he would not have to work.. gregory: saw the light and sold his house and bought a pickup truck and trailer.nice move with the price of gas.a truck is handy for the field ministry.
(farmers make good use of pickup trucks).. wendell:"the day after katrina struck.now,however,we have seen god's care on a much larger scale.".
just your typical/ antitypical jw talk.. bob.
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Buying a trailer and a pick might not be a bad idea if you live in an area that gets hit all the time with flooding , instead of rebuilding a home all the time you simply drive away and come back to your land whenever it clears up . It doesn't say what the first guy was doing before he quit so maybe a government job or union . Sounds like Wendell was talking about the WTBTS relief that was sent to new orleans . don't have the augus issue yet , but not finding that stuff worthy of throwing insults at.
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Hell Does Not Exist
by megs inaccording to spong, not only does hell not exist, but neither does the divinity of christ, a theistic god, miracles, the redemptive property of jesus' death on the cross, his resurrection, his ascension, and many other things besides.
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If I remember correctly the WTBTS says that hell originally meant the common grave in greek just like sheol in hebrew , the belief that hell is a fiery under world where the souls of the dead are tortured for eternity is from greek mythology , dantes inferno .
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J.W.'s Should "Hall" (Haul) Themselves Into 21rst Century
by Rapunzel inreading another thread about how the organization is not particularly successful in its effort to preach the gospel and news of kingdom, especially in developing and politically/culturally isolated nations and regions, it ocurred to me that the winessess are essentially using methods which are far outdated and very ineffective or non-productive.. so i was wondering if they could help further their own cause by going "high tech.".
i wonder: how much does a satellite cost?
is the cost laughably prohibitive for them?
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Repunzel-- The WTBTS does not say that Babylon fell in 607 BCE . It says that judah fell in 607 BCE, Babylon was conquered in 537 bce or there abouts . The city still functioned way into the future ,it was not destroyed right away. The christian religion is based on the belief the world is ending and God is looking for people to not destroy when he takes control of all aspects of human affairs .
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Is there a Christian message without the element of fear/perceived threat?
by nvrgnbk inso many christians highlight love and mercy as the main point of their religion.. that's undeniably appealing.. but is it true to christianity?.
in the end, isn't the belief all about escaping god's violent wrath?
aren't those that are unable to accept the system's contradictions and absurdities promised suffering and eventual destruction as punishment for their disbelief?.
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I don't see how you can call God a megolomanic since the word means delusional wealth, power and omnipotence . Now if you created everything then I imagine he is wealthy and a omnipotent there's no delusional belief there. I think the word applies to people like GW bush who believes God wants him to be president and such.
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Is there a Christian message without the element of fear/perceived threat?
by nvrgnbk inso many christians highlight love and mercy as the main point of their religion.. that's undeniably appealing.. but is it true to christianity?.
in the end, isn't the belief all about escaping god's violent wrath?
aren't those that are unable to accept the system's contradictions and absurdities promised suffering and eventual destruction as punishment for their disbelief?.
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nvrgnbk-- The way I see it, consciousness ends at death , the only soul that survives as a spirit are of the 144k remnant that goes to heaven , the souls of evil doers are not sent to a firey underworld such as the dantes inferno belief . They are symbolically destroyed in the lake of fire where there is no resurrection .IMO
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Is there a Christian message without the element of fear/perceived threat?
by nvrgnbk inso many christians highlight love and mercy as the main point of their religion.. that's undeniably appealing.. but is it true to christianity?.
in the end, isn't the belief all about escaping god's violent wrath?
aren't those that are unable to accept the system's contradictions and absurdities promised suffering and eventual destruction as punishment for their disbelief?.
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I don't think the idea was to coerce or to frighten people with hell fire , the idea was to spread good news that all those suffering in the world could be saved and live forever . IMO God is a motivator with promises of good things to come , not threats . He does however explain that those who don't chose his way will not get the rewards once his anger reaches it's limits they will be destroyed but will not know pain and suffering for eternity either only the end of consciousness all together .
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J.W.'s Should "Hall" (Haul) Themselves Into 21rst Century
by Rapunzel inreading another thread about how the organization is not particularly successful in its effort to preach the gospel and news of kingdom, especially in developing and politically/culturally isolated nations and regions, it ocurred to me that the winessess are essentially using methods which are far outdated and very ineffective or non-productive.. so i was wondering if they could help further their own cause by going "high tech.".
i wonder: how much does a satellite cost?
is the cost laughably prohibitive for them?
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IMO I think they built bigger and faster facilities because they do expect the babylonian religions to be destroyed which will leave them the last standing christian church and thus they expect a large influx of newbies , therefore it leaves them more capable to provide literature .The fact they keep saying the end is sooooooo close kinda throws one off from following the implications of what they are doing , since I've heard such stuff as they need the new equipment for the millennial reign on the board . I personally think the catholic church is about to meet it's end which would leave nearly a billion people looking for new and more accurate religions . It would not surprise me if say the the jews wind up suing them over the nazi persecution and take over where the vatican is as compensation . I've heard that italy wants to take back the vatican from the church . There are allot of things that could play out to bring them down . Just like babylon it will probably happen without any blood shed . The writing is not only on the wall but countless WTBTS publications .I wonder if that prophesy were to come true then how many on the board would reconsider the WTBTS as a false prophet .