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  Using the bible, can you show proof of the date 1914?

  by Quirky1 in

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  well?

  i need proof....

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  In JW doctrine, and is the result of using 607 B.C as an "anchor date", using the book of Daniel, Chapter 4, as proof.

  This is based upon the following, simple reasoning:

  7 "times" doesn't mean "7 times". It means "7 years".

  But,"7 years" doesn't really mean 7 "years", either. It means "7 years of days".

  But, the "days" in "years of days" doesn't really mean "years of days, in which the days actually mean "days", but means "years of days, in which the "days" actually mean "years".

  Therefore, it is easy for even a fool to see that "7 times" REALLY means "7 years" but which really means "7 years of days", but which then really means "7 years of days which aren't really days, but years", or simply stated "7 years of days of which days are really years". To put it even so a child can understand it, it means that the "times" aren't "times" at all, but are "years", which aren't "years" at all, but are "years of days", which aren't "days" at all, but are "years" AFTER all, even though they were originally CALLED "times"!

  Got all that? There's more.

  Strangely, however, for all of this to work, this fulfillment, based upon an ANCIENT text, still requires the use of the ANCIENT calendar for the MODERN fulfillment to work out to 1914. Therefore, ancient text + ancient calendar = modern date in modern calendar.

  When doing your calculations, don't forget that there is no "zero year" from B.C to A.D. C.T. Russell forgot that and was quite embarrassed about it. The official WTBS explanation in later, revised, editions of his books was that "the battery was very low in his calculator at that time" and he wasn't aware of it until after the material was printed.

  Lastly, the book of Daniel was prophesied to remain "sealed" until the "last days", which, as we know, began in 1914, according to the simple reasoning just presented. So, Russell had to figure out a way to, somehow "unseal" Daniel before it was prophesied that Daniel WOULD be "unsealed" so he could then put forth a prophecy which pointed to exactly when Daniel WAS to be "unsealed", namely at the start of the "last days", in 1914. Russell, therefore, successfully used a "sealed" book to calculate the exact date it was to be "unsealed", which at that time it was officially, "unsealed", but Russell "unsealed" it before that, because he wanted to know beforehand when it WOULD be "unsealed", because only THEN would he know when the "last days" were to start, which was, of course, when Daniel actually WAS to be "unsealed". Got all that?

  I apologize to the reader for using so many words, but, this stuff is so, well, "DEEP"!
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  WHAT STRANGE THINGS WERE YOU TOLD WHILE IN JWS?

  by badboy in

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  any takers?.

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  One elder actually asked me this question out in FS "Even if all of this wasn't true, isn't this a much better way to live?" Now at the time, but I held this question back to him, "If that is the way you feel....then why do this?" At the time if I felt all of this wasn't true, I wouldnt of wasted my time preaching stuff I had doubts about!
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  Name Some Jehovah's Witness Character Traits

  by minimus in

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  let's get a list here..

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  afraid

  angry

  annoyed

  apologetic

  arrogant

  bored

  bossy

  careless

  childish

  clumsy

  coarse

  confused

  cowardly

  cross

  cruel

  dangerous

  dark

  demanding

  depressed

  discouraged

  dishonest

  disrespectful

  doubtful

  dull

  embarrassed

  fierce

  foolish

  foul

  frustrated

  gloomy

  greedy

  grouchy

  grumpy

  harsh

  hopeless

  ignorant

  impatient

  impolite

  inconsiderate

  lazy

  lonely

  miserable

  mysterious

  obnoxious

  picky

  poor

  proud

  restless

  rowdy

  rude

  sad

  scared

  secretive

  selfish

  serious

  silly

  sly

  sneaky

  sorry

  spoiled

  stingy

  strange

  strict

  stubborn

  thoughtless

  tired

  intolerant

  touchy

  unfriendly

  unhappy

  upset

  weak

  worried

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  Were you ever let down by one of the bruddahs or sistahs?

  by Quirky1 in

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  i know i have been let down many times, either in word or deed.. what about you?

  any experiences?

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  After having surgery, a sister phoned my wife saying if there was anything she could do to just let her know. I thought OK, could you drive her to the doctor for a follow-up appointment. She said....well...that's too far out of her way so she said no. However, she added, if there was anything else she could do just ask. Ahhhhhh...the brudda-hood!! You just gotta love it.
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  As a JW Did you Feel you Could Fully Trust the Elders ?

  by flipper in

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  i know for many of the 44 years i was in the jw cult from birth - i felt i could.

  or should i say i was conditioned to feel that " i should " trust the elders.

  as jehovah's witnesses we were all told the elders were " crags in a waterless country " who would be a " spiritual stronghold " for us.

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  I had some huge eye openers but especially during one meeting (back room scenario) where I was accused of something I did not say and at the same time the elders totally denied something that they did say. So there I was in the back room with three elders and no defense, no arbitrator on my side. It totally freaked me out! There was one elder that was totally lying. I stopped believing in them after that point. Fortunately, nothing bad happened after that meeting but my trust in them was totally shattered. I believe, there is a 'blue code of silence' in that arrangement. They look out for each other it seems and not for the flock that we were once believed. I believed for a long time that they were to 'serve' the congregation. Now it seems that the congregation 'serves' the elders. I have no idea why so many of them need to lie. What do they have to gain? There is no monatary value to this arrangement. I'm guessing a little power which some may have never had before, due to the fact that some have professions of janitors and so on, goes straight to their heads. I found out, you have no defense, they make you second guess yourself, because they have the uncanny talent of always turning it on you. They have it in there heads, they don't answer to you.....you answer to them. So it is always a lose....lose situation.
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  If the glass is half full,

  by John Doe in

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  and the future holds promise and progress, why does letting the past go hurt like such a bitch?

  when tape clings so tenaciously to a healing wound, why do we pull it away slowly?.

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  The government would say that the glass is fuller than if the opposition party were in power.

  The opposition would say that it is irrelevant because the present administration has changed the way such volume statistics are collected.

  The philosopher would say that, if the glass was in the forest and no one was there to see it, would it be half anything?

  The economist would say that, in real terms, the glass is 25% fuller than at the same time last year.

  The banker would say that the glass has just under 50% of its net worth in liquid assets.

  The psychiatrist would ask, "What did your mother say about the glass?"

  The physicist would say that the volume of this cylinder is divided into two equal parts; one a colorless, odorless liquid, the other a colorless, odorless gas. Thus the cylinder is neither full nor empty. Rather, each half of the cylinder is full, one with a gas, one with a liquid.

  The seasoned drinker would say that the glass doesn''t have enough ice in it.
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  Needs of the Congregation......"Raise Your Hands Higher!"

  by bronzefist in

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  "friends" have lost their jobs......so what.

  "friends" are depressed.....so what.

  "friends" are being kicked to the curb, because they're not in the clique...so what.. the local needs talk was, raise your hands higher for the wt conductor who will not call on those with names he forgets.

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  This thread is hilarious. It comes right down to micro-managing the congregation. In business micr-management is a management style where a manager closely observes or controls the work of his or her subordinates or employees. Micromanagement is generally used as a negative term to describe one who manages micro-brains, or those with little intelligence. Hmmmmmm....surely the elders don't look upon their flock as such

  In contrast to giving general instructions on smaller tasks while supervising larger concerns, the micromanager (elder) monitors and assesses every step, and avoids delegation of decisions. Micromanagement (elders) are often easily recognized by the flock, but micromanagers (elders) rarely view themselves as such. Micromanagers (elders) will also refute such claims by citing their management (teaching) style as "Structured or Organizational", this is part of the denial process.

  The notion of micromanagement (elder-ship)can be extended to any social context where one elder takes an inappropriate level of control and influence over the members of the congregation. Continued micromanagement (elder-crapish) can result in disengagement. A disengaged (brother or sister) puts in time but little else, and their apathy affects not only their own productivity but that of his/her congegation members. Because a consistent pattern of micromanagement (elder-poopish) tells a congregational grunt-rate you don’t trust their work or judgment, it is a major factor in triggering disengagement.

  Extreme cases represent dangerous management (elder-pathology). The latter is characterized by an obsessive style of management (elder-craziness) and is closely related to bullies, narcissists and other management (elder-pathologies). Micromanagers (eldership) like many addicts are the last person to recognize that their addiction is in controlling others.
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  Crime in Canada

  by watson in

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  not sure if this has been posted yet.

  very disturbing.

  it looks like our canadian friends to the north are not immune to the increase in crime.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekgdrnjqs0s.

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  When did they move? Why wasn't I told about this!!!
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  What it may take to get my faith back...You???

  by oompa in

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  this was part of a letter i sent to some family and friends........ i have a few things i have really thought about that may need to happen for me to get my faith back.

  the first would be for the be for the society or the governing body to actually share with me what they claimed in their first letter to me to have, this indirect evidence that the divine name appeared in the original writings of the christian greek scriptures.

  if they do not even have that and will not provide it, then a serious apology is in order for me and all other witnesses, and an explanation for their blatent lie, and a revision of the new world translation is in order removing the name jehovah from the new testament.. as long as this does not happen, i will feel i have been defrauded.. i would also like someone to show me using only the bible how we can arrive at the date 1914 as the arrival of jesus christ, and the end of the gentile times.

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  oompa,

  I'll try to address the first question, about why they put Jehovah in the 'new testament'. They claim that since Jesus referred to a number of quotations from the 'Old Testament' such as Mathew 4:10 where Jesus quotes 'Go away Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service'.

  Jesus quotes the above from Deuteronomy 6.13 where it states and I'll use Masoretic Text: ' Thou shalt fear Jehovah thy God; and him shalt thou serve, and shalt swear by his name'.

  It is also interesting to note that archaeologists have discovered papyrus fragments of works which were later included in the canaon of the New Testament dating as far back as the middle of the second century. During the recent decades, though, a number of very ancient manuscrpits have been discovered using some form of the Tetragrammaton into the Greek text.
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  Conspiricy Theory!!

  by SickofLies in

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  however, lately i've become concerned because he seems to have gotten into all these conspiracy theories such as 'chemtrails' 'illuminati' 'new world order', on top of the usual 9/11 theories and the like.

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  Sorry, but I can't read it. Is that the conspiricy?