Great post and great article by Galileo. Can anybody make sense of that chart? It would be nice to have that explained. Numbers in ranks and files don't mean a lot to me without some kind of commentary. Especially the boxes on log mass. What wos that supposed to mean?
Did anybody ever read the book or see the documentary on the Ark that was popular in the late 70s? Has anybody ever debunked the idea that we have found the original ark on Mt Ararat? I was fascinated by that book when I was in 3rd or fourth grade.
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Noah's ark - Can't believe I once actually thought it was true
by sam_sane_now inwhen i was a jw i didn't even question that the noah's ark story might not be true.
i didn't realise that it wasn't achievable for a handful of people to gather literally millions of animals - two of each kind - and fit them into a boat where they would all survive for many days.
i didn't think about the fact that if the highest mountain was covered with water then how could plant life like trees and flowers come to exist again, especially so soon after, with the raven grabbing an olive leaf was it?
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Great job! Who's voice is that on the video? That's a real good voice - professional quality. There could be a career in broadcasting for that person. He sounds very credible.
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Was everyone really vegeterian pre-flood?
by blkblk13 inok it's late and im bored and this might ramble a bit but i got to thinking, the wbts always proposes that everyone, b/f god gave noah permission to eat meat, was vegeterian.
witnesses always talk about how in the new system we will all go back to being vegeterian since i think in isaiah it says the the lion or wolf will graze and eat grass like the lamb or something and it was never gods plan for us to eat meat.. this doesn't sound right to me.
why would god make animals begin to eat each other if it was not according to his plan?
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That's a no-brainer.
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What were the things that troubled you as a JW?
by Mickey mouse ini'm not necessarily asking for the big stumbling blocks here or things you discovered once you started doing your own research outside the borg.
i'm talking about the smaller things.. for me one thing was the talk of no one being able to become a witness unless "jehovahs drew them to him".
as a born-in this never jived with me.
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I was completely consumed with guilt and shame over masturbation. Also, that shame carried over to complicate many of my relationships. That guilt is a life ruiner.
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CREATIONIST TEACHERS
by badboy in1 in 8 high school teachers in usa teach creationism and id as valid science.. 16% of teachers beliece humans were created less than 10,000 years ago.
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Scary statistic! I'm one teacher that definitely will not teach religious dogma. In fact, in my class if the Bible comes up the students know that they must speak of it in non-religious terms, using words like myth or fiction or the old standby, "some people believe..." rather than stating things in absolute terms.
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Has the song, "IMAGINE" become more than just a song?
by journey-on inthis song is my favorite all-time song.
though simple, when i hear it, it goes right to something deep in my core.. it has almost become scriptural.
that is a discussion in and of itself.
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It was always more than a song, it is an entire movement, of which I am a part, happily so.
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JW Mom killed in house
by Wordly Andre inhttp://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html
murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.
coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.
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Does anyone know the congregational status of the husband? If he was active at all I'm sure the brothers are going to automatically DF him and then claim that he was not a Witness at all.
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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible
by snowbird inwhile this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.
i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.
i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.
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How was its foundation poured,
and who set the cornerstone, While the morning stars sang in chorus
and all the angels shouted praise? And who took charge of the ocean
when it gushed forth like a baby from the womb? That was me! I wrapped it in soft clouds,
and tucked it in safely at night. Then I made a playpen for it,
a strong playpen so it couldn't run loose, And said, 'Stay here, this is your place.
Your wild tantrums are confined to this place.'
So, we have god building the earth by pouring cement, which there were no liquid construction methods know at the time of this writing, that's why the Egyptians didn't use it. No such thing. Stars that sing? water coming from a woman> Building a playpen for a fitful child made of water? Yeah that sounds real allright!
Actually it sounds like this: And Verdana said to Murdu, "Murdu, who are you to judge me, I who made you and the stars? You are my child, as the sea also my offspring. You and the child are boisterous in your cries. Yet I formed you from pottery, and nver have you hungered or been sick. i knew you when your mother was fat with you. And now you shame me by your boldness and lack of confidnece in me" - Hindu text that parallels the story of Job, possibly before Job was written. I'll have to get the date for them. -
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Taking my life back
by Junction-Guy ini have come to the crossroads where something has to give.
i no longer enjoy visiting any xjw forum.
i have to pull myself away from the negativity or else i will implode from within.
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JG admits to hanging on doggedly to his precious beliefs. JG, you argued with atheists and you never got the point that atheists, unlike you, change their beliefs every time they encounter new information, new facts. Every new fact affects the whole body of known facts and therefore affects our beliefs regarding the world, the universe, reality and truth. Every day we add a little knowledge, find things to be false and shrug our shoulders and say, "oh well, I guess the world isn't flat after all."
In my experience no atheist has any emotion or attachment towards his/her beliefs. As soon as disconfirming evidence presnets itself, the atheist will chuck their former errant belief right out the window, with no hurt feelings. This is not the same as the Watchtower changing their beliefs via some revelation from god, or some need to not look stupid, this is simply saying when you are proven wrong, you will admit it openly and honestly and you will submit to the new information so long as it is reliable information -it has to check out in other words.
When someone says that they will not change their minds no matter what, like you just admitted above, that is the equivalent to saying that even when you are wrong, you will still hold onto your beliefs. At this point Truth becomes irrelevant. You are admitting (though you probably won't understand how it is that you are admitting it) that even if it became clear that there is no god, you still will believe becasue you want to believe. This is what you admitted in your post here. You actually said, "I will not surrender one shred of my beliefs." This shows that your beliefs are emotion-based, not fact based.
You even say your blood pressure goes up when you argue. Newsflash: it is an old proverb "the person most enraged by an argument is probably losing." You therfore, not only admit that truth is not as important to you as "believing that your particular beliefs are true," but also you admit defeat by how angry you are when confronted with opposing views. Belief (and probably faith too) is of higher importance to you than truth, otherwise you would always be open to opposing views and you would consider the possibility, even probability that you are wrong about most everything. It really is a matter of pride. You are just too stubborn and proud to ever be able to accept a single belief that falls outside of or contradicts your current beliefs.
Frankly, I don't know how a man can feel like a man saying what you said here. A real man will always maintain a certain amout of skepticism for his owm beliefs, because he knows that he isn't perfect and he is subject to being wrong about almost everything as far as he knows. To not be ever admitting this on a regular basis, you are putting yourself up to be a god, for humans know that they can't possibly have it all right. Error is inevitable, and sience driven people know this and they have the balls to admit it. It doesn't mean that we won't argue with you, even heatedly, (for every fact must be argued ad nauseum, right?) but we know that we are human and with the right amount of evidence or even proof, we can be convinced. If the proof is there and it checks out after serious prodding, then admitting it is as easy as pie for the atheist, because there are no emotions at stake.
Oh, and you are a racist homophobe. In other words, your objections to homosexuality are based on your fear that you actually might be gay, that's why they call it homophobia. So, don't give up the idea that you might be gay, you certainly have potential, what with your penchant for drama and all. -
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Anyone remember "Jehovahs Christian Witnesses" in Portland OR?
by NikL inback in the early 1980s i was visiting my aunt in gresham oregon, a suburb of portland.
she was worldly but being a good witness that i was i picked up the yellow pages to find the location of the local kingdom hall.
well, i found it but i also found a listing for "jehovah's christian witnesses".
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The same thing happened to me when I was 15 or so in 1985 or so. My brother was just moving to Santa Maria and I was helping him move. On that weekend we thought we'd catch a meeting so I looked in the White Pages and found a listing for Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's Christian Witnesses. I called the latter and a nice lady answered. I asked for the meeting times and places and she said that she was actually another church and that it was against the Watchtower. She was very nice sounding, she had a soft voice. She even said "have a nice meeting." I never heard from the group again.