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  Jehovahs Witnesses - Mainstreaming, Like It Or Not

  by metatron in

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  it used to be that pioneers supported themselves with free literature and magazines and put in 100+ hours a month.

  then 90, then 70.. a publisher had to put in at least an hour a month to be counted.

  now 15 minutes.. they used to hand out a written review and collect it and grade it!

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  independent_tre

  I agree with Password Prot. While many JW can spout certain overemphasized verses ( Matt 24:14 comes to mind) I find that few are familiar with anything Scriptural and only familiar with the most recent WT studies or other publications.

  Lady Lee's points also stand out as well. Many of the cost saving tactics are unimportant in comparison to the continual dogmatic pressing of dubs not straying, doubting or being critical of anything the WTS prints. There's also the WT constant reminders about "rebellious talk" and "independent thinking", that stops even the mildest of witnesses from asking questions.
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  Favorite Martini?

  by Bubblie in

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  ever had a blue smoke martini?

  it is great not sure what it in it but really pretty and tasty.. kit.

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  independent_tre

  Lemon drop martini
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  Doesn't this quote ring a bell?

  by WingCommander in

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  "when our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts and friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means.

  when our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger.

  when we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult.

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  my first time reading that quote; and I agree - truer words have never been spoken.

  Thanks
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  Choosing Death (for born ins)

  by brinjen in

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  it's a powerful weapon isn't it?

  death.

  it was used on all of us at one stage when we were inside of that cult.

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  All of us here had the most powerful weapon used against us... and they still couldn't break us. Yet, they call us 'weak'.

  That makes it so weird trying to 'fade' from the org, because I feel that dubs around me try to look down on me as if I am weak, when I feel anything but weak. I feel full of life, like I've regained some lost freedom.

  Great post.
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  Spirituality WT style: it's all business

  by JimmyPage in

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  isn't it funny to think the wt claims to have anything to do with spirituality?

  i mean, here is a business that measures how "spiritual" you are by the number of hours you spend each month serving the corporation.

  its most respected "spiritual" leaders have business titles like "circuit overseers" and "district overseers".

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  Very business-like, lacking any emotion, spontaniety or feeling. That's why they're called meetings not worship.

  Don't forget to bring all of your documents ( WT, Books, KM, etc) calendars/schedules, highlighters and pens.

  And don't worry if you get sick or ill in the middle of giving a part, they will continue as if nothing happened. Gotta stay on schedule.

  And please keep your kids quiet!! They should learn to sit for hours at boring adult oriented meetings.
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  For Valentine's Day I made my wife cry

  by JimmyPage in

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  well the fit hit the shan today.. i was lying in bed and my wife was trying to get me up for service.

  i kept telling her no.

  she kept asking why not.. when i felt the moment was right i talked to her calmly.

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  I agree with JWdaughter in that this thing will come in waves, so even though she may be okay now, it may not be so peachy on meeting night. Nellie's advice seems on point. PasswordP'd stated:

  You're exactly right. I know for a fact (personal experience) that JWs would rather hear of a man cheating on his wife than hear that a man has doubts in the transient teachings of a New York-based publishing corporation. They'd rather you were blatantly working against black and white Biblical principles (committing adultery) than questioning the latest interpretation of the generation.*

  That is so humorous and sad at the same time. It's amazing that people, including myself, at one time gave this group of men power over their lives and power to destroy families.

  All in all, I think you're on the right track and I hope things work out for the best.
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  Update: Mrs. Chickennest's cancer

  by Thechickennest in

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  my dear wife has undergone three rounds of chemotherapy as an inpatient at the mayo clinic in the past two months.

  we are returning to minnesota/mayo clinic this saturday.

  she will begin seven weeks of chemotherapy/radiation.

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  I'm glad to hear that she is responding to the chemo. Sending positive vibes her way for a speedy recovery!
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  Hello to all, can I have a moment of your time? Thanks!! from Truth and Justice

  by Truth and Justice in

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  thought i would properly introduce myself, being that i have posted here about 6 or 7 times since march of 2008. i do not want to create any sense of insecurity among the guests.. my name is truth and justice.

  i have been reading this website since march of 2008 with great interest.

  many times i have wanted to write and kept putting it off, because i just did not know how to put my thoughts on paper, especially when millions of people will read what i have written.

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  Thank you for sharing and welcome! Posts of personal experiences help many to really find out the 'truth about the truth' and remind others why they've left. Look forward to hearing from you again.
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  New BOE letter re: parents permitting fornication

  by sir82 in

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  unfortunately i have no scanner.

  but i thought y'all might like a glance into the latest mind of "mother".. i won't type out the whole thing, but just select pertinent parts to quote:.

  "to all bodies of elders.

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  Do they EVER get tired of trying to micromanage people's lives?? ?? You would think the elders have their hands full already.
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  Should women be allowed to have 14 kids without job?

  by sammielee24 in

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  independent_tre

  Now some might think that arrogant, judgemental and presumptuous of me to say such a thing about someone I barely know, based on a few comments on such an unreliable medium as the internet, but I know you will be Ok with it because that's how we roll on this thread, isn't it?

  Yep, Great job Cog... It's sooo good to see you finally displaying some of the behavior you so adamantly claim to hate.

  But since you seem to be scanning for professional diagnoses and advice on an internet forum, let me give you some:

  You seem a little constipated, so maybe you shoud take an ex-lax and let the shit go.

  Ah, but if I know you, you won't let that post quota drop, will ya? So, you should be posting another nonsensical rant in 5...4..3..2...1.....

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  Betterdaze... Good point regarding legal precedence.

  However in this case, I believe the doctor could have clearly backed out citing the dangers to the woman's and children's health. Many articles have shown that other fertility specialists and physicians believe that this went well beyond normal practice and that at most 2 embryos should have been implanted. I don't believe any physician is required to perform any medical procedure when the risks to the patients health outweigh any supposed benefits.