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independent_tre
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I stumbled upon this anagrams website....
by lisavegas420 ini typed in:.
jehovah's witnesses .
and it came back:.
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Hi - new kid on th block
by nearlyfree ini have been looking at this website for about 2 months now and feel i am now ready to say hi and intoduce myself.i dont want to give out too much info at this point in time as i still am in the org, but have only been to 2 meetings since the district convention in august and last time i went out on service was in march.
i was basically raised in the truth as my parents became jw when i was 2. i was married in my late teens and after 21 years of being married to a total control freak he left me (yay).
anyway since me ex left, i had been doing a lot of thinking about being a witness, and i wasnt really going to a lot of meetings - just didnt feel like it.
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independent_tre
Hi there! Welcome, you are in good company. Feels good to be free doesn't it? :)
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How many of you knew about the"Jesus is not your Mediator" teaching when you were JWs??
by Lady Liberty inhi everyone.... just curious how many of you knew when you were active, about the societys official teaching regarding jesus the mediator.
i was floored to find in my research, that they teach jesus is the mediator for the 144,000 only.
and it is only by our association with them that we might have salvation.. i don't know about you guys but i was blown away when i learned they taught this.
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When I first began researching on my own, I bought a modern English translation of the Bible from Borders and read the gospels for myself. I really understood Jesus' purpose and importance far better than I had when studying through the murky WT lens. Around the same time, I came here and started reading some old threads, and actually thought it was a joke when I first came across this teaching. Looked it up in the insight book and was floored. What they teach is a blantant lie and an insult to anyone who believes in Christianity. I remember the night I read all that, it brought me to tears to realize that I had devoted my life to an organization that would teach such lies. Finding this out pretty much solidified my leaving the WTS.
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Does the Watchtower KNOW they are using mind control techniques?
by finding my way ini've read a few other threads about cult mind control as well as steven hassans book comabatting cult mind control.
i also read a thread questioning the watchtowers motives.
are they in it for the money or what?
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independent_tre
Hmmm.... interesting question. It would be hard to believe that the GB are not somewhat conscious of the pressure they put on members to stay - namely guilt and fear.
But I honestly don't believe the vast majority of the rank and file even know or understand that they participate in cultic behavior. Love bombing is always used on the new ones. Hell, I even did it - I thought I was doing the right thing with showering them with attention. Doing return visits on the same person, a zillion times, even when their hiding behind the curtains in their own house - yeah, those are high pressure cult tactics. But I dont think the average publisher even realizes it. They're just trying to get those hours in.
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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. From the Nov 1 WT
by life is to short inthe november 1st public wt has an article on "do you need to learn hebrew and greek?
" funny is it not that they feel we do not need too.
anywho on page 21 of said wt.
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independent_tre
This is really pathetic on the part of the WTS. What's so hypocritical about it is the fact that the WTS encourages learing a different language when it serves their purpose. Members are constantly encouraged to learn another language, especially Spanish in my area, so they can serve where the need is great.
Anyone remember just a few years back they came out with a booklet, ( cant remember the name) that had the same message translated into 60 or so different languages. Then if you came across anyone out in field service, and didn't speak their language, they could read the message or you can mention a few phrases in their native language. I guess a "little knowledge" in that case is perfectly acceptable.
You're right, Life is to short, this article is terrible and I guess they are back on the 'keep 'em stupid' routine; when they are not discouraging college or outside research, it seems the mode is to attack any other type of 'knowledge' they cannot control.
#1 lesson from JW's: If someone implies you are better off knowing less, and that learning more will harm you, move on. They have a lot to hide.
exactly.
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Stretching Pierced Ear Holes
by White Dove ini saw three of my friends with extra thick earrings, like the spiral kind that get bigger as they go around, and have since wanted to do my own.
i got 10g tiny but thicker hoops and have just shoved them through enough to put the little doughnut shaped back on.
ouch.
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independent_tre
I keep saying that the young guys doing this are going to regret it when they're 40+
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Jehovah Witnesses are NOT a bad Cult but man made type spiritual guide
by Butterflyleia85 inwhen i was a jehovah's witness i remember these debates being mentioned about the raps of innocent children that elders commented, the blacks and whites segregation, the crosses and christmas tree in the bethal, etc.
jehovah's witnesses have always been harassed for these things.
with the changing world and knowledge of the scriptures they work hard to try to work towards accurateness.
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Baba Yaga said:
Beautiful ButterflyLeia,
It took me many, many years of being out before I could admit to myself that I was raised in a cult. I was an apologist for a very long time. Mine was a "pre-Google" exit, though, so I suspect your realizations will come much sooner.
Keep reading. Keep thinking. Keep praying. Keep posting.
Love,
Baba.All I want to say is Baba... I LOVE your posts! Always "seasoned with salt" and with the kindest heart.
Carry on....
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The most inappropriate remarks from Jehovahs Witnesses
by jambon1 ini have a few which still either anger me, make me sad or just make me grateful that i am no longer one of them.
1 - "well, everyone is going to die anyway, so if it at armageddon then ce la vie" 2 - "the disater today at the world trade centre is sad, but exciting" 3 - (an elder) "when armageddon happens, i want to be at a window, watching it all".
sick, sick, sick!
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independent_tre
BTW... I think Bethel was getting wind of some of these types of ridiculous statements made during talks. I started noticing a lot of the talks were becoming more "outlined", formatted, kinda stick-to-the-script talks. I wonder if the elders were ever counseled to stop ad-libbing due to the inappropriate comments and examples.
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The most inappropriate remarks from Jehovahs Witnesses
by jambon1 ini have a few which still either anger me, make me sad or just make me grateful that i am no longer one of them.
1 - "well, everyone is going to die anyway, so if it at armageddon then ce la vie" 2 - "the disater today at the world trade centre is sad, but exciting" 3 - (an elder) "when armageddon happens, i want to be at a window, watching it all".
sick, sick, sick!
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I would be curious, however, to know how JW's would talk if the planes HAD hit Bethel and killed 3,000 people there.
From what I understand, it was quite a few. It's amazing re: all the of callous remarks made by witnesses until they realizied that numerous victims were witnesses.
Regarding 9/11 - one of the most inappropriate examples was used by a visiting brother to our hall giving the public talk. He told the story of how one young brother was contemplating taking a job in the WTC that started 9/11. Supposedly, the job would have required longer hours and less time for meetings and ministry.(JW hallmark example of testing one's faith). Well of course he prayed and on 9/10 decided not to take the job, and the brother concluded with saying..
"Because the brother trusted in Jehovah, he did not perish with the thousands of others in those Towers. That's really something to consider friends."
I was new, still baptismally wet behind the ears, but I remember thinking 'WTF???' What about all the other witnesses that did perish who worked there? (By then I believe the was an email or something circulating that had the names of all the witnesses that died.) It shocked me that this brother did not consider all those other dubs that were simply doing their jobs and showing up to work, and lost their lives somehow their faith was lacking?
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Another comment given from the platform directed toward parents. The brother stated that "we didn't beat our children enough, because we were becoming too middle class"
After that, even though I still believed at that time, I listened to talks with a grain of salt as I realized that a lot of what was being said was opinion rather than bible based.
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Are we following men?
by jookbeard inschipper, you never answered the post's on your previous topic, and you go and open another topic, go back to your previous topic please.
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PJ wrote:
First Rabbit, So sorry you lost your mom. She died with her faith in tact. She will be resurrected. And let us hope you will be there to greet her.
That comment was so disingenious and patronizing, it actually stinks to read it. Typical JW behavior.