Posts by iloowy

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144,000

by musky in

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are there any here who feel they are or were one of the 144,000?

or a reference to a thread on this topic?

i was just wondering.

Hmmm... what a question!
What if you believe what the Scriptures say about Jesus command to keep doing this in memory of him?
And you think that the number 144000 is as symbolic as the 12 tribes in the illustration in Revelation?
And, and too, what if you think that one should take every teaching of the WT and hold it under judicious scrutiny?
But, by the way, I plan to partake. If Jesus said "do it" then ... "Got bread and wine?"... I need a T-shirt like that.
--ILOOWY

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

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if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

iloowy

LeavingWT wrote:
> Christ has only one Bride. His Bride is made up of 144,000 persons.
> The 'Bride' is not one person. Neither is 'God'.

Hmmm... but the number 144,000 is as symbolic as the 12 tribes are symbolic.
I guess that would make your three-in-one somehow symbolic.
Not trying to argue with you and you can believe whatever you want.
Just offering a differing view which I read from the Scriptures.
If your reading of the Scriptures differs from mine, well then, we are
all entitled to differing views and free will. May Christian Freedom prevail,
I say.
--ILOOWY

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

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friends

if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

iloowy

The concept that the Father and Son are two persons but still one God (as LeavingWT mentions) seems to contradict statements of Jesus saying "the Father is greater than I" and that "no one knows except the Father". If Jesus were God himself how could only the Father know and how could he be inferior? The divinity of Jesus isn't questioned by the WT... at John 1:1 the NWT says "a god". What they, the WT, question is that they are one and the same "God".

Anything that is worshiped by someone as a god is indeed their god, but this doesn't make it a real god.

Jesus is the "Son of God" according to the scriptures, this makes him divine enough for me to be worthy of honor. But God himself has given him the right to be held in high esteem by believers.

How the Holy Spirit can be a person? Well, if you can be filled with it, anointed with it, then it makes it hard to think of it as a person.

--ILOOWY

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Virtual Kingdom Hall Super-secret Password

by Shepherd Book in

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so i want to sign up for the virtual kingdom hall here: http://thekingdomhall.ning.com/, which i guess is a clean and safe place for brothers and sisters to join.

problem is, in order to be in approved association there, i need to know the first song listed in the july kingdom ministry for the meeting beginning the week of july 28. .

the site says only jws know this, so i was hoping one of you loyal brothers or sisters could help me out..

iloowy

Well, it didn't take long.

> You have been banned from The Kingdom Hall Online
> Sorry, you can not access The Kingdom Hall Online
> as you have been banned. If you think you've been
> banned in error, you can contact the administrator.

Bunch of Theo-Nazis!

--ILOOWY

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How Do You Deal With Elders?

by minimus in

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if an elder or elders demanded that they wanted to talk to you, what would you do?.

if the elders began "questioning" you, how would you deal with them?.

iloowy

I wrote them and the CO a letter saying I wouldn't be attending any secret meetings behind closed doors. If they had something to tell me or ask me I wanted it in writing and at least a week in advance for the purpose of giving the reading enough time for me to research the question and provide a thought out answer. Whenever approached I reminded them that I wanted it all in writing and not through coercive and intimidating lectures. The CO was pissed won't even say hi or look in my direction. The PO gave a local needs against me. But so far nothing in writing. Other elders treat me like always and I know three of them are actually giddy with glee that I'm telling the CO and PO to back off the private counsel and put everything in writing... The deal is that the WT Society's instructions explicitly warn elders not to put things in writing. It's a Catch-22 in your favor if you don't have something serious they can hold against you.

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Virtual Kingdom Hall Super-secret Password

by Shepherd Book in

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friends

so i want to sign up for the virtual kingdom hall here: http://thekingdomhall.ning.com/, which i guess is a clean and safe place for brothers and sisters to join.

problem is, in order to be in approved association there, i need to know the first song listed in the july kingdom ministry for the meeting beginning the week of july 28. .

the site says only jws know this, so i was hoping one of you loyal brothers or sisters could help me out..

iloowy

The super secret pin number at one congregation we visited for unassigned territory was "8318" as in "Psalm 83:18". There were a group of other commonly used scriptures and they'd recycle them every few months.

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A few questions for all you experts from my long JW meeting yesterday

by AuntBee in

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here are a few things that were said that seemed kind of dubious to me.

(i had a meeting with 2 women that came to the door - full story in the thread "i received the knock...").

they baptize in the name of the father, son and holy spirit.

iloowy

Isaacs answers are all good. I would like to add that there are some JW who haven't really given much thought about these issues and who, eventhough baptized and active in service still carry over beliefs and feelings from their former religious experience. I know a ministerial servant who says "God Bless you", he's seventy something and forgets that we're not supposed to bless people like that.

Some of the old timers have a hard time accepting the new teachings and new lights from the WT studies. Even if they go through the paragraphs it doesn't seem to sink in. Nor really that they want to be difficult and stick in the mud, it's just that change doesn't come easy.

I truly believe that a lot of JWD forum members are more aware of deep teachings and latest revelations from the Governing Body than the majority of JWs... there are always inactive ones who barely keep informed, there are those who come because it's a habit and they're older now and couldn't dream of changing. There are those too young to know any better. There are those too distracted by the system to really pay attention... How many deep thinking and fully studied and prepared Witnesses are actually sitting through the meeting taking it all in and actively listening? Well, it's been my experience that the number is probably less than half, if that.

So when it comes to teachings and what the GB has published a lot of JWs are just not "with it".

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.....ILoowy and E-Watchman.....

by OUTLAW in

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iloowy..thanks for the link...............back in the day..youknow,was one of the "best/worst trolls" on the board..many of you know know him as e-watchman..or..robert king.....i knew him,as youknow.....the man could go on and on,about anything..he could drive a crazy man,sane!..!lol!

!...................he was slippery and lied when it suited him!..lol!

!..youknow and i,did not get along..he simply,was`nt truthful...............iloowy was kind enough to provide me with a link,to robert king`s "podcast"...................i finally got to hear youknow in a recording..i wanted to try to make sense of the man....i listened.....the man can go on and on about anything!..lol!

iloowy

> He also slams the organisation on their child abuse stance,
> their UN treachery, the idolatry, their false 1914 teaching
> and chronology [...]
> although he maintains sticking with the organisation and
> unfairly maligns Ray Franz, I don't know why he is so utterly
> reviled on this website.

Hey Yadda(2+2) I think you pretty much explained the reason
why he is "so utterly reviled" on this forum, exactly... i.e.
he slams the borganization but counsels one should stick with
it. And he maligns someone who left it for reasons of conscience.
Sounds to me like he can slam the borganization all he wants but
nobody, not nobody not no how, better say anything against it.
It really makes little sense to me, but that's just me and
you have your right to think otherwise, of course.

With best regards still.
--ILOOWY

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38 years, are these people friends ???

by lancelink in

last week my mother died, and since my parents live clear across the country, i had to travel out there and help .

my father with the arraignments.

they were active, visible witnesses here at home here in wisconsin for over 15 years.

iloowy

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I too have lost a parent and it is a difficult time to go through.

If you've been working on fading, it's probably a good thing only one person called you... that means it's working.

If it weren't for my wife's dedication to always read the obituaries every day in the paper I wouldn't know whose relative of who has passed away. I'm not in the Kingdom Hall rumor mill for those types of things anymore.

As social beings that we are we need other people through life to share experiences with, don't we? I'm glad to have found this forum and others too where people can understand my experiences with the WTS. I'm sure you do too. It's good to have folks here express themselves with thoughts similar to one's own, knowing we understand.

Again I'm sorry to know you're going through this in your life. And I offer you my condolences and assurance that you are understood and your thoughts are appreciated. It is definitely tough. Rely on those who offer comfort, don't worry about the rest for the time being. Keep doing what you feel is the right thing to do. I hope this helps.

With sincere sorrow and a hug of understanding.

--ILOOWY

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