Yes, i see what you're saying sir82. I'm sure that is the case many times. It's almost like they're saying - NO, that just can't be, or doesn't sound right, rather than a definitive NO, we DO NOT teach that. There have been a few, though, where i knew they knew.
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Theocratic Warfare / Lying JWs
by AuntBee init's one thing to read about this on paper.
but it really hits home after you've experienced it numerous times!
this is a real thing, and it's quite startling to find such an abundance of lying in 'the truth'!!
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Theocratic Warfare / Lying JWs
by AuntBee init's one thing to read about this on paper.
but it really hits home after you've experienced it numerous times!
this is a real thing, and it's quite startling to find such an abundance of lying in 'the truth'!!
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It's one thing to read about this on paper. But it really hits home after you've experienced it numerous times! Just....WOW! This is a real thing, and it's quite startling to find such an abundance of lying in 'the Truth'!! Usually it is about doctrine, just flat out denying that the Org teaches/believes a certain thing, or denying a fact about the history. But i've also experienced some really unnecessary lies, about who they are, their position/relation to the Organization, etc.
Does this spill over into other parts of the person's life ? Does it increase the practice of lying in general, when the truth is not convenient? To friends? Family? the IRS? -- Or does this stay kind of compartmentalized, in matters related to defending the WT?
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Got a question about disabilities? I have answers
by Lady Lee inas many of you know i suffer from a few disabilities.
i also worked for many years with people with a wide range of disabilities including deaf and hard of hearing, visually impaired and blind, mobility impairments (use crutches, walkers, scooters or wheelchairs).. having been on two sides of a disability i know a lot of people are confused.. here is something from my life that i experience regularly.
i'm in a wheelchair now and although i don't use it in the house i do use it to go out.
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StAnn - I really thank you for what you wrote about your fibromyalgia. My husb has chronic complications from Lyme disease, as well as other issues, and the way it plays out is a lot like fibromyalgia. Once he played basketball with our son, and his neck was messed up and painful for quite a while, because of the motions involved. He gets the "you look good' thing too. When he was still able to work, he would be greatly misunderstood for declining to do sporty activities with 'the guys'. We just had to get to the point, where we don't care what anyone thinks. I know he pushes himself sometimes as you do, just to do something fun with the family, but he pays the price for it.
Again, thanks so much for sharing that. It just meant a lot to me, and i will pass it along to him. -- bridget from az.
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Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)
by brotherdan inthere are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.
but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?
after all, salvation does not come from an organization.
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Brotherdan - Protestant Christians believe anyone can be a true Christian who believes in Christ, and trusts in His death on the cross, for the forgiveness of their sins.
My heart goes out to you, because you seem to be between a rock and a hard place.
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Quote by an unamed whoever from who knows where in Watchtower?
by AuntBee ini was looking at the watchtower i was given this week, july 1. a 'quote' on page 7 really stood out to me, and i noticed that there was no reference as to where this quote came from, or even a name of the person quoted.
is this common in the wt?
is there someplace where they give their sources?
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I was looking at the Watchtower i was given this week, July 1. A 'quote' on page 7 really stood out to me, and i noticed that there was no reference as to where this quote came from, or even a name of the person quoted. Is this common in the WT? Is there someplace where they give their sources? I don't see any footnote number ,etc. ??
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Another JW encounter
by AuntBee ini thought i might have been placed on the do not call list, but apparently, it was just one pesron that chose not to stop at my house her last time down our street.
i was surprised more came this close to the last visit!
(they need to work on their territories/organization, lest people really become annoyed and feel harrassed with 2 visits in a row.).
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Thanks for the encouragement, and all the great info you guys provide on JWN! Thanks for the interesting link, Blondie.
Bane: Although i do have a few good friends who are genuine apostates, i believe the proper appellation for me would be "opposer".
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Another JW encounter
by AuntBee ini thought i might have been placed on the do not call list, but apparently, it was just one pesron that chose not to stop at my house her last time down our street.
i was surprised more came this close to the last visit!
(they need to work on their territories/organization, lest people really become annoyed and feel harrassed with 2 visits in a row.).
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Thanks, although i think i would do one thing differently. Instead of asking them - would you like to see it in the literature, i'd say, excuse me for a second, and just bring it out without asking first. An ex-JW friend suggested i just bring it out.
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Another JW encounter
by AuntBee ini thought i might have been placed on the do not call list, but apparently, it was just one pesron that chose not to stop at my house her last time down our street.
i was surprised more came this close to the last visit!
(they need to work on their territories/organization, lest people really become annoyed and feel harrassed with 2 visits in a row.).
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I thought i might have been placed on the do not call list, but apparently, it was just one pesron that chose not to stop at my house her last time down our street. I was surprised more came this close to the last visit! (they need to work on their territories/organization, lest people really become annoyed and feel harrassed with 2 visits in a row.)
Anyhoo, it was 2 older ladies, in their seventies. The one was clearly the leader. First off, she hits me with the divine name. I made a few points like God has various names in the bible, and why did the WT put it in NWT when it is none of the over 5,000 Greek manuscripts. She claimed it was. whatever. yawn. But she moved on to other topics quickly. Read me a verse from Isaiah.
I inquire about the latest definition for "generation" given at the convention, and were they aware of the previous 6? You will never believe what her answer was?.......NEW LIGHT! I replied that new light means you know more about something, not change it to something contradictory, etc. Mentioned the "new light" on immunizations and organ transplants, and we're talking here about issues that have killed people, so 'new light' doesn't do it for me. The leader lady was getting kind of mad, but the other lady looked really startled, and i knew she was hearing stuff she never heard before.
Leader changes subject to JW being God's organization because they teach Biblical doctrines that no one else does. I said, oh yah, Jesus chose them in 1919, right? I mentioned just a few of the things they were teaching at that time, as well as what they really predicted for 1914. They denied it, and said where do you get this stuff? I said from your own history. She said no, i'm sure you get this from 'books' (The word "books" pronounced with a sneer). I said, well, yah, i know you'd be in trouble if you looked at 'contrary' information. She denied that outright. I said a lot of it is in the WT literature, would you like me to show you? She said no. I said, well come back ANY TIME, and i'll show you. ANd i was mostly looking at the other lady, who wasn't saying much.
Then she handed me the latest WT, and said they had to go now.
Oh, ps, also mentioned that WT literature said you'd be led astray into aspotate thinking if you studied the Bible without the "Channel." They said that's not true, offered to show them, they said no.
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King of the roost may be annoyed, but it's not nearly as problematic as bringing PUPPIES home when there is a cat already! YIKES. LOL
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Recomend movies for ex JWs?
by highdose ini would be interested, these might be inspiring movies or maybe movies that we were never allowed to watch as jws?.
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Dead Poets Society. -- Not about religion or cults , per se, but about boys from very wealthy families, whose families functioned as a mini-cult. Their lives were completely planned out, and they weren't allowed to become/find their real selves. A new teacher comes who challenges them to "seize the day", even though it will rock the boat big time. I've watched it a few times. -- Great quotes from SHakespeare and other classic poets throughout.