i've been thinking about how the gb controls jws through the use of short phrases or scripture quotes (often partial quotes ripped out of context).. think of the sound-bite responses you know jws are going to give you in response to points you try to make to them.. ones that come to my mind immediately are:.
-- "the light gets brighter and brighter.".
-- "who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave?".
"I have to go now, because we're not about 'arguing.' " (interpretation: no two- way dialogue allowed. I'm telling you stuff, and you should agree and be sheep-like!)
I heard Cedars say in an interview: When they come to your house, they are not on an information gathering expedition!
i read article after article about the billions the gb rakes in from fleecing the sheep but i've never heard anyone explain what happens to the money.. i mean is it in a swiss account?
are the gb living in private mansions?
where does the $ go?.
When I asked a JW that, they said it was for printing Bibles, and for the 'world-wide' work.
after 6 weeks of hiatus from our home study we are finishing ch 15-see good for all your work.. throughout the last part of the chapter it goes i er how to view secular work--keep it simple and ministry first before work.
so the elder told me of a bro who went to a tech school for welding but got the real welding education with the siciety and is now 2nd in class welder at either bethel or the farm.
another bro went to bethel for computers and is now makes a ton if money oart time and can pioneer (jehovah made it all happen)...then elder we t into how 73% of kids cant get jobs after college and it isnt really an education but mostly partying.
Jgnat, I LOVE your statement -" Here's the thing. Has anyone asked the children? What of their hopes, ambitions, dreams? I strongly believe it is the job of every parent to help their child reach their full potential. " I personally also see this as one of our major responsibilities as parents, and of course we even make sacrifices to make it happen for each one!
I remember talking to one of the JW teens my daughter was close to, at our house, while he was in high school. I always like to show enthusiasm/support for their dreams/plans, and he had wanted to be a band director, super talented in music! As i was asking him questions, and being excited over it, he just started mumbling and looking down at the ground, and seemed very sad/uncomfortable. -- His brother at their graduation, excitedly told me he would like to become an engineer.(smart enough to do it too!)
Fast forward almost 5 years later. "engineer" brother is working as a lifeguard, a job kids around here do at age 16; he's pushing 23. He said he is taking classes to work in something related to what the dad does, which he also told me about 3 years ago, So obviously he is still not even qualified for that job. But he remarked it'll be good, because it's 'easy.' He told my daughter, who he was in love with for years, that he loves living at home, it's a sweet gig, and he hopes he can as long as possible!! -- Other brother we knew as a teen is almost 25, left college after a year or 2, lives at home, and i think has some kind of anxiety disorder, and doesn't seem to do much. Oldest brother recently moved back home, he must be around 30. So here we have FOUR GROWN MEN, not even close to being able to move out, marry, etc.!! As a parent, this just makes me SO MAD; i cannot even fathom this. I know ,i know it's the mind control ,etc.
Several of us concerned parents outside of JW world have been concerned about them for years, and we all concur that the mother has some type of mental illness, so it is a double whammy for these sons. I wish there was a way to help them. :(
I'm sure it will be so good for your kids DS211, to have one parent out of the WT, and looking at things differently, and trying to help them find their talents/passions and build a good future.
so they say jesus wasn't born on 12/25 or in the winter because it was so cold & the shepherds would not be out in the cold.
i live in nyc & around the holiday time the temp.
rose to 64...i'm just saying..so that's not a good reason to say jesus wasn't born in the winter or 12/25.
That's really interesting, Legacy. On wiki, it says the average temperature in Bethlehem during December is 45-57.
And here's something else interesting, at least i think it is. LOL! My neighbor grew up in Bethlehem, and worked as a shepherd for some years as a teenager. he says they were out in the fields with the sheep day and night, year around! He told me that sheep eat a lot, and were always out to pasture. He said there were no stores to go buy bales of hay! Keeping them "in" would be very problematic, as to keeping them fed. If the weather got very severe, he could usually find a cave to take shelter in. He thinks it's funny that WT is so dogmatic that shepherds aren't out in the fields by night during December!
ususally i wouldn't come here to announce that two dudes in polyester suits with cheap ties wanted to convert me.
i am long past that "excitement", been out for a couple of years now.
this was the first time they rang my door bell.
My inlaws got that same tract yesterday here in Arizona. It was kind of a hit and run, they said the JWs clearly did not want to actually talk at all.
"with everything that is going on in this world it really is wonderful to be spiritually awake!
the world is groping for answers to solve their problems.
jehovah is revealing to us what is about to happen.
LOL, Outlaw! Maybe she's a Newbie, she sounds so excited about the predictions!
"with everything that is going on in this world it really is wonderful to be spiritually awake!
the world is groping for answers to solve their problems.
jehovah is revealing to us what is about to happen.
"With everything that is going on in this world it really is wonderful to be spiritually awake! The world is groping for answers to solve their problems. Jehovah is revealing to us what is about to happen. So lift your heads up because your deliverance is near!!"
So, Jehovah is revealing to us (through the WT? Through the Slave?) what is GOING TO HAPPEN? But, i thought they never claim to be prophets or inspired? Obviously their members are being given a different take on it.
i've been watching the web site that shows how many more tickets need to be sold for this to happen.
right now, it is 14. if anyone wants to buy one as kind of a donation, even though you're not going, you can at this web site: .
http://www.tugg.com/events/5361.
I've been watching the web site that shows how many more tickets need to be sold for this to happen. Right now, it is 14. If anyone wants to buy one as kind of a donation, even though you're not going, you can at this web site:
http://www.tugg.com/events/5361
The tickets cost twelve dollars. If it ends up not happening, your credit card isn' charged for it.
Thanks,
auntbee from tucson
has anyone here approached the jw's at the carts and what has come of it?
did u say ur ex-jw or did u try to poke holes in the doctrines?
were u able to embarrass them in front of any bystanders with issues such as child abuse cover-up, false prophecy, etc?
Hi Hillary - We have JWs outside at literature tables here in Tucson. I sent you a PM about it!
yes, rutherford proclaimed in 1918 that "millions now living will never die.
" well it's been 95 years since.
how many 95+ year old people are alive on earth today?
That's a really good point, Jookbeard! I just realized that recently, having thought of it as more similar to the 1914 thing, thinking, ok , how long would that be past 1925, if millions would still be alive, etc.
ALl that 1925/BethSarim predictions/speculation is the backdrop to Rutherford's "light flashing up" to reveal the great crowd in the 30's! Essentially, a whole new religious system apart from the New Covenant. As the old saying goes "Consider the source." Was that guy a reliable and trustworthy interpreter of Scripture? ? Or...if it was light "from Jehovah", special revelation, what was his track record with that? Wow, what was that guy smoking (drinking?)???
It's just as though Hal Lindsey or Harold Camping would come up with a MAJOR new interpretation never before heard of, after their failed predictions/speculations, and say this is light from Jehovah, and you have to listen to it!
