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Second half of Judicial recordings!!!!! Podcast 10

by Hobo Ken in

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this the second half of the judicial committee meeting with the elders in which the decision is taken to "disfellowship" me.

the reasons are given at the end of the meeting.

here is the link to the audio podcast 10. here is the link to the webpage which you can leave comments on if you wish death or obedience.

passwordprotected

And quite bizarre as one of the main grounds for DFing was your going on holiday with DF’d friends , yet one of the elders was originally due to go on the same holiday. Would it not have made more sense to choose 3 elders who had no connection with you?

Wasn't it patently obvious that he had his own agenda? Mental. They just do whatever they want, making it up as they go along. Just as well a person's eternal salvation isn't at stake...

Lessons for faders who don’t want to be DFd: Say nothing to anyone , especially family. If “shepherded” , respond in the vaguest fashion about “a few issues” or doubts -don’t elaborate. Never put anything in writing that could be used against you.

Isn't it a shame that those who don't believe the teachings of the GB can't just leave and get on with their lives without fearing punishment from the rest of the group? Isn't that an offense against a person's human rights?

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Why don't you just take it like a man?

by AK - Jeff in

in a recent thread, i was basically called out in this manner.. here is part of the quote:.

mean no disrespect with the following but i have to ask, when you disassociated yourself what did you think would happen?

did you expect witnesses to suddenly change to accommodate you?

passwordprotected

I was the person who made that comment in his previous thread and I have faded. Okay Password, what do you suggest we do to change the way the organization treats DA’ed and DF’ed people? Should we write a strongly worded letter to the folks at Bethel to tell them just how mean they are?

The organisation is in direct breach of the UNDHR and the International Covenant of Political and Civil rights when it punished those who choose to LEAVE their religious group.

And before anyone dives in with how the First Amendment protects the WTS, the world extends beyond the USA. Precedents can be set in other countries that can and will affect the policies of the Organisation. Look at their knee-jerk reaction to the Jimmy Swaggert case.

Has anyone ever written to the UN or sought advice from a human rights lawyer (or charitable advisory organisation) about the WTS policy of shunning those who leave?

Ok, maybe no government would want to make a law stating that members of a religious order have to act a certain way, but they can make a law that forces a religious order to allow its members to leave without facing penal sanctions, i.e. endorsed shunning (endorsed by the Governing Body).

The more we all quietly leave and don't speak up, the more power we hand back to the WTS.

The more who fade and don't take a stand by disassociating (and I realise that's white hot topic here), the more power is given back to the Governing Body.

Jehovah's Witnesses say to those of us who have left, "you knew the consequences". Well, maybe it's time, like in Moscow, where the Jehovah's Witnesses are realsiing the consequences of being part of hateful, discriminatory organisation, that Jehovah's Witnesses know the consequences of treating former members (former friends!) like dirt in the street.

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Is it wrong to change your religion?

by Mickey mouse in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tqrsi3x-8y.

passwordprotected

Great job.

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Apostate Artwork

by sacolton in

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for use on any jw discussion/website .... .

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(insert your captions here).

passwordprotected

@ White Dove - brilliant!

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RUSSIA deports and bans JW Attorneys

by skeeter1 in

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his article was published by f18news on: 23 july 2009. russia: jehovah's witness lawyers deported for defending extremism cases?by geraldine fagan, forum 18 news service <http://www.forum18.org>.

four lawyers defending jehovah's witnesses have been deported since march, forum 18 news service has learned.

a leaflet by a traditional mari el pagan priest is among the latest additions to the federal list of extremist materials, meaning it is banned throughout russia.

passwordprotected

@ Robdar, apart from the part about house burning and beatings, everything you said about the Russian Orthodox church could be said about Jehovah's Witnesses;

- oppressive

- intolerant

- hateful

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RUSSIA deports and bans JW Attorneys

by skeeter1 in

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his article was published by f18news on: 23 july 2009. russia: jehovah's witness lawyers deported for defending extremism cases?by geraldine fagan, forum 18 news service <http://www.forum18.org>.

four lawyers defending jehovah's witnesses have been deported since march, forum 18 news service has learned.

a leaflet by a traditional mari el pagan priest is among the latest additions to the federal list of extremist materials, meaning it is banned throughout russia.

passwordprotected

The Russian Orthodox Church doesn't like competition. I think that is the point.

Sorry, but I highly doubt the WTS are any sort of competition.

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Why don't you just take it like a man?

by AK - Jeff in

in a recent thread, i was basically called out in this manner.. here is part of the quote:.

mean no disrespect with the following but i have to ask, when you disassociated yourself what did you think would happen?

did you expect witnesses to suddenly change to accommodate you?

passwordprotected

But you can’t change the way the organization treats people who DA.

Lola, that sort of reasoning is precisely why the Org are able to continue treating DAd folk like myself and my wife the way they do.

Why do so many exJWs - faded or otherwise (although I suspect it's the faders more than any other group) - need the WTS to be so powerful?

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August 1 Watchtower on my desk!

by AK - Jeff in

my wife encountered a jw today at the uptown laundry where she goes to dry blankets and large items from time to time.. i had just asked her an hour earlier to look around and see if any mags were laying around there - i don't know why.

i just wanted to see if any major layout changes were taking place with the watchliar and asleep lately.. i have not opened them.

i am looking though at the cover of the tower - cover title 'how can you choose a good religion?

passwordprotected

They are absolutely watering it down these days; think back to the "End of False Religion is Near" tract campaign. Now it's just "find a good religion"?

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Why don't you just take it like a man?

by AK - Jeff in

in a recent thread, i was basically called out in this manner.. here is part of the quote:.

mean no disrespect with the following but i have to ask, when you disassociated yourself what did you think would happen?

did you expect witnesses to suddenly change to accommodate you?

passwordprotected

I'm with you AK - absolute bullshit. The person who said it, have they "faded"?

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Straight from the C.O.

by swa in

hello all, i have been lurking, looking, reading, and digesting for around 2 years and it seems the time is right to post.

i recently had one of those moments at the kindom hall where i found myself looking around thinking "am i the only one who gets it, why doesn't anyone else have this puzzled look on their face?".

said during is second talk to the congregation "all of our food, our magazines, and all our wonderful books, and videos come from/through these 9 men".

passwordprotected

Excellent observations, welcome to the forum.