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  The story of SD-7

  by sd-7 in

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  who i am is inconsequential.

  it's safe to say, however, that i am between a rock and a hard place.

  or perhaps...a watchtower and a hard place, more accurately.. i was raised a jw--mom got baptized same day i turned 4 (in 1986), alleged that 'satan got to' me because i wanted to do fun stuff on my birthday rather than go to the convention to see her get baptized.

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  Hi, welcome! Great introductory post; you've got a good way with words, please keep it up.
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  My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 2

  by Simon in

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  previous: my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1. .

  how many times have people said ?if i knew then what i know now??

  what a difference that would have made to my life.

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  Excellent stuff, where's part 3 tho!!?
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  The dangers of religious belief - Praying man let his daughter die

  by Simon in

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  praying man let his daughter diedale neumann faces up to 25 years in prisona us jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.. the man, dale neumann, told a court in the state of wisconsin he believed god could heal his daughter.. she died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural wisconsin in march last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.. neumann's wife, leilani neumann, was convicted earlier this year.. the couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in october.. a lawyer representing dale neumann said he would appeal.. 'faith healing'.

  during the trial, medical experts told the court that neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.. on thursday neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a pentecostal minister, said he thought god would heal his daughter.. "if i go to the doctor, i am putting the doctor before god," he said.

  "i am not believing what he said he would do.".

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  Very sad case and the photo of the guy standing with a grin shows up the sort of person we're dealing with. However, I think the title of this thread is deliberately skewed; it wasn't so much religious belief that led to the girl's death but blatant stupidity. And before people jump in with "they're both the same", of course they aren't. How many millions of religious parents - even those who believe in supernatural healing - don't sit praying while their child dies withouth proper medical care?

  As Blues Brother says;

  Poor decisions can affect us all and need have nothing to do with religion. BTW If the parents get 25 years then it would seem that laws are already in place.
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  Walk Away Quietly, Go Out with a Bang, Protest, Disappear- What's Best?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  there are many different things that each of us deal with, but the biggest reasons most come here is for support in their own lives and in dealing with the jw's in their lives.

  so many are lurking or new here, so maybe they need to hear why some of you chose the path you chose.. for each of us, the decisions on how to leave the wt are our own.

  i fast-faded and don't look over my shoulder worrying about the elders trying to trap me because my wife doesn't spy for them.

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  For me, because I still love all my old friends, I was also scared that I would be tempted to go back and live a lie because of my strong feelings. (I am a bit emotional that way)

  I vividly remember feeling like this. As an elder I was aware of those of whom I'd tried to help in the congregation. I'd been pivotal in getting one guy 'activated' again and he let it be known through my family that he was devastated that I'd stopped attending meetings. I remember lying in bed one night faced with the nightmarish thought of actually having to go back and live a lie just so that I didn't hurt people.

  But eventually it was time to move on. Thankfully my wife left a couple of weeks after me. She was the one who wanted to go on an Alpha Course and who suggested we try church.

  Once we'd gone done that route (about 1.5 months after leaving), it was easier to DA.

  My wife wrote a letter, I refused to do so. I was DAd through my actions (exercising my basic human right to change my religion).

  I'm glad we're completely out. We get shunned. We got royally shunned at a family wedding recently. My parents were mostly still reasonably personable towards us, but since returning from the District Convention they've gone all hardcore and have been highly disrespectful in their treatment of us, to the point of trying to claim some sort of right to tell our oldest son what is and isn't acceptable to Jehovah (that got them on a "3 strikes and no more unsupervised access to our kids" rule).

  I choosing to stay in so that people who don't love you enough to accept you as you are will still talk to you is a painful choice to make in the long run.
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  Second half of Judicial recordings!!!!! Podcast 10

  by Hobo Ken in

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  this the second half of the judicial committee meeting with the elders in which the decision is taken to "disfellowship" me.

  the reasons are given at the end of the meeting.

  here is the link to the audio podcast 10. here is the link to the webpage which you can leave comments on if you wish death or obedience.

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  And quite bizarre as one of the main grounds for DFing was your going on holiday with DF’d friends , yet one of the elders was originally due to go on the same holiday. Would it not have made more sense to choose 3 elders who had no connection with you?

  Wasn't it patently obvious that he had his own agenda? Mental. They just do whatever they want, making it up as they go along. Just as well a person's eternal salvation isn't at stake...

  Lessons for faders who don’t want to be DFd: Say nothing to anyone , especially family. If “shepherded” , respond in the vaguest fashion about “a few issues” or doubts -don’t elaborate. Never put anything in writing that could be used against you.

  Isn't it a shame that those who don't believe the teachings of the GB can't just leave and get on with their lives without fearing punishment from the rest of the group? Isn't that an offense against a person's human rights?
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  Why don't you just take it like a man?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  in a recent thread, i was basically called out in this manner.. here is part of the quote:.

  mean no disrespect with the following but i have to ask, when you disassociated yourself what did you think would happen?

  did you expect witnesses to suddenly change to accommodate you?

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  I was the person who made that comment in his previous thread and I have faded. Okay Password, what do you suggest we do to change the way the organization treats DA’ed and DF’ed people? Should we write a strongly worded letter to the folks at Bethel to tell them just how mean they are?

  The organisation is in direct breach of the UNDHR and the International Covenant of Political and Civil rights when it punished those who choose to LEAVE their religious group.

  And before anyone dives in with how the First Amendment protects the WTS, the world extends beyond the USA. Precedents can be set in other countries that can and will affect the policies of the Organisation. Look at their knee-jerk reaction to the Jimmy Swaggert case.

  Has anyone ever written to the UN or sought advice from a human rights lawyer (or charitable advisory organisation) about the WTS policy of shunning those who leave?

  Ok, maybe no government would want to make a law stating that members of a religious order have to act a certain way, but they can make a law that forces a religious order to allow its members to leave without facing penal sanctions, i.e. endorsed shunning (endorsed by the Governing Body).

  The more we all quietly leave and don't speak up, the more power we hand back to the WTS.

  The more who fade and don't take a stand by disassociating (and I realise that's white hot topic here), the more power is given back to the Governing Body.

  Jehovah's Witnesses say to those of us who have left, "you knew the consequences". Well, maybe it's time, like in Moscow, where the Jehovah's Witnesses are realsiing the consequences of being part of hateful, discriminatory organisation, that Jehovah's Witnesses know the consequences of treating former members (former friends!) like dirt in the street.
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  Is it wrong to change your religion?

  by Mickey mouse in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tqrsi3x-8y.

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  Great job.
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  Apostate Artwork

  by sacolton in

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  for use on any jw discussion/website .... .

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  (insert your captions here).

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  passwordprotected

  @ White Dove - brilliant!
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  RUSSIA deports and bans JW Attorneys

  by skeeter1 in

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  his article was published by f18news on: 23 july 2009. russia: jehovah's witness lawyers deported for defending extremism cases?by geraldine fagan, forum 18 news service <http://www.forum18.org>.

  four lawyers defending jehovah's witnesses have been deported since march, forum 18 news service has learned.

  a leaflet by a traditional mari el pagan priest is among the latest additions to the federal list of extremist materials, meaning it is banned throughout russia.

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  @ Robdar, apart from the part about house burning and beatings, everything you said about the Russian Orthodox church could be said about Jehovah's Witnesses;

  - oppressive

  - intolerant

  - hateful
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  RUSSIA deports and bans JW Attorneys

  by skeeter1 in

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  his article was published by f18news on: 23 july 2009. russia: jehovah's witness lawyers deported for defending extremism cases?by geraldine fagan, forum 18 news service <http://www.forum18.org>.

  four lawyers defending jehovah's witnesses have been deported since march, forum 18 news service has learned.

  a leaflet by a traditional mari el pagan priest is among the latest additions to the federal list of extremist materials, meaning it is banned throughout russia.

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  The Russian Orthodox Church doesn't like competition. I think that is the point.

  Sorry, but I highly doubt the WTS are any sort of competition.