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  Oct.15th WT GB Tells JW Rank & File-You are Our Belongings Stay Humble

  by flipper in

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  2. friends

  the mind control in this latest oct.15th is amazing.

  our lurking jw friend sent us this and it basically tellls witnesses that their opinions don't matter and only god is good .

  it belittles independent thinking and explains that each rank and file jw is owned by the alleged " faithful and discreet slave " .

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  Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  2. bible

  in ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.

  a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.

  jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.

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  In what way are Perry's arguments weak? Again, I'm fascinated with the atheists' need to attack and tear down the beliefs and faith of Christians, or at least to attempt to. By poisoning Perry's well by claiming his arguments are weak, you in fact strengthen them. Why not just let us Christians continue to masturbate in our own feces or whatever else it is you think luddites who believe in sky daddies do? Surely with such a retarded way of viewing life and the universe we only have a couple of years left before we evolve into something much more pleasant. I'll say it again, Christianity is almost 2000 years old. It should have died out. The Bible contains literature that is much older. Surely it should have been reduced to a mere footnote in the evolution of mankind. Yet for some reason the story of Jesus and the cross is still shaping and changing lives around the world. That, to me, is absolutely incredible. I've experiened the change that speaking to Christ, inviting him to come into my life has had on me as a person and the life I live. Rather than living with any sort of fear, as many claim Christianity is about, I'm living a life where I fear nothing. I speak to Christ and he speaks back, either through the Bible or through circumstances beyond my control or through the tangible, answer to prayers. Incredibly millions of people believe God has and is speaking to them, just as millions believe he doesn't. God, we were told by Nietzsche, was dead. Frustratingly for the atheists he continues to live.

  As for there being some sort of fuss over whether Christians worship in exactly the same way as they did 1700 years ago, my reply is to ask, is Jesus front and centre of any Chrisitan worship? Anyone claiming to be a Christian should always have Jesus font and centre in their worship. That's how it was in the 1st C. and that's all that really matters.

  Some recommended reading;

  There is a God - Anthony Flew

  God is Not Dead - Amit Goswami

  Is God a Delusion - Nicky Gumble

  The Dawkins Delusion - Antony McGrath

  The Case For Christ - Lee Strobel

  Darwin's Angel - John Cornwell

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  Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies by David Bentley Hart And if we want God to speak to us, try speaking to him first then giving him the chance to reply through his Word the Bible. A simple prayer like, Lord Jesus, I struggle to believe that you are alive and interested in me. I find it hard to see the evidence. Please speak to me and open my eyes to any reality that you may be there. God may have been using this very thread to speak to us in some way. If there's any probability that may be true, what are we going to do about it?
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  When bad spelling trolls leave, new bad spellers (studies, JW's, JW lovers) arrive

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  i will totally leave names out, as many get all huffy about that.

  it's also possible that i am wrong, though i doubt it.. it's just that some trolls seem to deliberately be terrible spellers to make themselves look more naive and when they leave here for whatever reason, some new bad speller comes along in less than a week with an impossible problem or a complicated love situation with a jw or they are a firm believer with questions.

  just watch out.

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  .....so, back on topic...I've noticed this too. Some of the newbies' stories are beyond belief, tbh. Maybe ninja's right afterall.
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  Cost cutting! The New world Translation is now a soft cover paperback! Mormon style!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. scandals

  calanders have been shrunk to half {less room for hours} awake is now monthly, the watchtower has a "witness only" edition and now.....the bibles are soft cover like the "book of mormon".......less cash out i guess..

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  They been in paperback for around 2 years.
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  Bye Bye Van Jones.

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090906/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_adviser_resigns_9.

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  No, only common sense and logic.

  Was that how the buildings fell, all 3 of them?
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  Poll: Who Left Whilst Still Believing?

  by brinjen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is for an upcoming youtube project.

  i would love to do this on a mass scale... think there might be something "big" in the results.. 1. were you a born-in (including those who's parents converted while they were still children) or did you convert as an adult?.

  2. when you left, did you still (a) fully believe in the truthtm, (b) partially believe or (c) realise it was all a load of crap?.

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  1. Were you a born-in (including those who's parents converted while they were still children) or did you convert as an adult?

  Born-in.

  2. When you left, did you still (a) fully believe in the truth TM , (b) partially believe or (c) realise it was all a load of crap?

  (c) realise it was all a load of crap but with some lingering angst. Angst all gone now.

  3. Now, do you still (a) fully believe in the truth TM , (b) partially believe or (c) realise it is all a load of crap?

  (c) realise it is all a load of crap

  4. When you left, how afraid where you of armageddon TM ?

  Not at all.

  5. Do you class yourself now as (a) christian (b) agnostic (c) atheist or (d) other (please state).

  Evangelical, born again Christian, but I've rejected any fundy beliefs and actively pursue the knowledge of how to understand and interpret the Bible according the genre of the book in question (the Bible is a collection of 66 individual books covering a variety of genres, so it's important to identify what genre the book you're reading is and interpret it accordingly. "Understanding the Bible" by John Stott is highly recommended to anyone who is interested in getting a handle on the Bible).
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  Critical Times hard to deal with.....

  by acolytes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you fear the jehovers witnesses and the organisation ?.

  how is the watchtower still harassing you ?.

  i must sat i certainly applied the scripture on" critical times hard to deal with" towards the society and its members when i left.. acolytes.

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  You didn't ask a silly question.

  I don't fear the Watch Tower Society, but I don't like the continuing dark influence they have on the hearts and minds of my former friends and my closest family members. I do fear what the Governing Body is able to compel these ones to do in the "name of Jehovah".

  Welcome to the forum.
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  Jehovahs Witnesses: the only organization preaching the good news

  by JWMediaFilms in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  click on the video.... it's uploaded in high def.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisblir_2sw.

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  Luke 10:7 Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.
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  How much will Watchtower publish online?

  by jonathanconway in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've noticed that they have a small selection of articles online.. however the majority of their stuff is only accessible through either the watchtower cdrom or dead trees.. has anyone yet asked them about putting their entire library online?.

  if their aim is to "spead the good news", then what possible reason could there be for not making the content publicly accessible?.

  since they already have it in electronic form (i believe the content is already in html format on the cd), the cost of doing this would be minimal, and it would probably make their website rank better in google.. of course, the flip-side is that this would allow others to link to their content and discuss it openly and, anonymously, which might expose them to much more criticism than they've ever experienced before.. but i'm wondering what their excuse would be if someone asked them "why not"?.

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  Jonathan raises an excellent point.

  What's the return of investment the WTS is getting these days, I wonder? The cost of publishing the publications on dead trees, then shipping them around the world versus what they take in via donations...Hmm... The cost of servers and bandwidth is coming down all the time, surely the fine privilege of Brother Reachingout downloading the publications via the 'net, printing them at home/photocopying them at the Kingdom Hall for the delectation of the R&F would save the Corporation serious $$$
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  Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.

  a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.

  jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.

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  I find it really interesting that Christianity, 2000 years into its existence, is still under such scrutiny, criticism and conjecture. Shouldn't it have died out long ago?