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  When was the last NWT revision released?

  by VM44 in

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  does anyone know when the last revision to the new world translation was released?.

  i seriously wonder if there are any qualified bible translators left at brooklyn or patterson.

  that is assuming that there ever were any there in the first place.. there might not be anyone qualified in the watchtower organization to make any revisions at all.. the watchtower today wants lawyers, accountants and construction engineers, not people trained in biblical languages!.

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  @ Old Hippie. Incorrect. The recently published soft cover NWT no longer prints the brackets.
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  JEHOVAH vs YHWH

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jewish encyclopedia - jehovah:.

  a mispronunciation (introduced by christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the jews) of the hebrew "yhwh," the (ineffable) name of god (the tetragrammaton or "shem ha-meforash").

  this pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the "kere" (marginal reading of the masorites: ????

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  This sort of thing is still relevant - and thanks to Sacolton for post, duly bookmarked - especially if we're interested in freeing JWs from their cultish view of the NAME Jehovah. It is just a name, and an invented one at that.
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  JW facebook page growing fast, and already outing troublemakers......

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting place to lurk and in just a few days there are 180 members....i quickly noticed there are very many posts raising questions elders hate to be asked...like why is there a no face hair rule except for mustache?.....and many others...like wedding rings are pagan...but due to nobody feeling that way now...why is that rule not applied to everything else like it...and on and on from many who have posted...... and they ususally want to know if there are biblical reasons for the rule or teaching!!!

  !......this thing will not last long........oompa.

  oh and if you join...the guys running it send pms to you listing the "trouble makers" found on the site....not sure if they can be kicked out without violating the rules like cussing and porn posting.......i just wonder how many tough questions they will let be discussed..... .

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  Yes, Middleman, that's me. The forums seems to still be up.
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  Guys how old were you when appointed anything???

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was 19, a pioneer, and a mini-serve.......first literature, then territory, and account servant at 21.....of course a janitor/window washer too (not that there is anything wrong with that!...it paid well!

  ).....i turned down elder as i am very non-judgemental....but almost did it so i could let everyone off in committees......geeze how i wish i had been in in college gettin laid............oompaundercover inspired this thread btw........

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  Helping out in the congregation from aged 13 or so.

  Baptised at 15.

  Pioneer at 18.

  MS at 19.

  Married at 21.

  Move congregation at 23/24, not re-appointed.

  Skirt edges of organisation at 25.

  Join 'foreign-language' group at 28.

  Re-appointed MS at 29.

  Move congregation at 32, re-appointed MS.

  Settle into new congregation for 2 years.

  Appointed as elder at 35.

  Resign as elder at 36.

  Disassociated by own actions at 36.
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  JW facebook page growing fast, and already outing troublemakers......

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting place to lurk and in just a few days there are 180 members....i quickly noticed there are very many posts raising questions elders hate to be asked...like why is there a no face hair rule except for mustache?.....and many others...like wedding rings are pagan...but due to nobody feeling that way now...why is that rule not applied to everything else like it...and on and on from many who have posted...... and they ususally want to know if there are biblical reasons for the rule or teaching!!!

  !......this thing will not last long........oompa.

  oh and if you join...the guys running it send pms to you listing the "trouble makers" found on the site....not sure if they can be kicked out without violating the rules like cussing and porn posting.......i just wonder how many tough questions they will let be discussed..... .

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  We may eventually get thrown out, but I've spent quite a bit of time having some very forceful discussions with some of the JWs there. I've already been asked "what else is there" once. By the time a JW asks that, they're already starting to think, IMO.
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  Double standards

  by behemot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you ever notice how double standard leads jws life?.

  if someone whos joining the jws gets shunned by his family/friends, thats persecution, if a jw who joins another religion (or does anything outside the rules) gets the same treatment thats loving discipline.. if they are invited to another religions ceremony they wont go, viewing their participation as sharing in false worship; yet at the same time they keep on inviting members of other faiths to share in their own celebrations (memorial) and expect them to show up and participate.. they fight worldwide, even in courts, for freedom of speech, yet they dont grant such freedom to their own members.. they encourage people to question and closely scrutinize their beliefs; but they are discouraged to do the same themselves.. they expect people to read and study their publications; yet they wont touch other faiths literature with a stick for fear of getting polluted.. other examples?.

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  They condemn the Catholic Church for it's wealth and properties, knowing full well how much wealth and property they have.

  They point to Christian denominations and say, "they believe the trinity, they aren't from God, because the trinity isn't in the Bible", while they churn out magazines about "paradise earth", "great crowd of other sheep" and "Jesus is Michael".
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  Brothers in her Cong. question if my mum is "really" anionted!? Why?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i don't get this...my mum pioneered for 25 years and in the last few years she at 69 is claiming to be anionted and taking emblems.....well you should see the back stabbing!

  some claim she isn't since she doesn't work at bethel or contribute to the litrature???

  it becomes a big debate, is she or not?

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  Someone should point these cretins to Jesus words in John 3: 3 In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

  Good to luck them even seeing the kingdom of God.

  Matthew 23: 13 “Woe to YOU , scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-01-09 WT Study (THOROUGH WITNESS)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  comments you will not hear at the 03-01-09 wt study (december 15, 2008, pages 16-20)(thorough witness).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  It's interesting that they cite a study where JWs are compared favourable with Mormons. Because more people, when surveyed, reported being approached by a JW, that must mean that JWs are more successful and therefore are blessed by God...and are true Christians.

  A couple of points worth noting about that;

  Mormons have more members, grow faster and hold onto their kids. JWs may speak to more people, but that doesn't equate to conversions. Mormons are better at that. So, if your goal is to grow more members - and remember, JWs are the onlytrue religion leading to life - they aren't doing such a great job for all of their door-to-door bluster; Mormons beat them.

  Secondly, and this is typical WTS reasoning, they've used a quote which compares two religions who are known for their door knocking. Why not compare both those religions with Christianity around the globe? The church we attend has seen a growth of around 8 people become Christians thanks to their Alpha Course in the last 2 years. This is a church of 50 members. They don't knock on doors, but they open the church one evening a week, give people a meal, engage them in a 45 minute discourse and have a chat with them afterwards. It's opt-in, not in-your-face. Compare that model with the activities of Christians as described in Acts. It was very much meeting together, sharing meals, talking about Christ. And look at the growth they achieved. What did Jesus do? He met with people, fed them and talked about his kingdom. Oh, and Jesus specifically said don't go from door to door.

  My contention for around a year has been that the WTS wants to restrict the preaching of their unique good news to door-to-door work for one very good reason; the internet. Rather than using the 'net to broadcast their unique life saving message, they virtually eschew it. "Oh, but we have a website!", they may say. Great, but the website is straight out of the 90s. Where are the YouTube videos, where are the podcasts, where are the discussion forums? Where's the transparency and honesty? Surely they know that the internet is the world's biggest, most amazing communication tool. So, why restrict people to going from door-to-door (ok, they do telephone, street and letter work too..)? It's because they're fearful of an interested householder meeting JWs, going onto their computer and Googling them. We all know what they're going to find when they do that.

  Door-to-door work during the hours of 9.30 - 11.30 guarantees JWs will hardly ever speak to anyone.

  And why in the illustration on page 17 is Paul carting around scrolls? Notice who he's speaking to. Looks like Romans or Gentiles to me. So what on earth was written on the scrolls?! Jewish prophecies? Jewish Law?
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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  Good point, quietlyleaving. They recent said in a WT 'proving' that healing by faith is demonic that [divinely revealed] knowledge would be done away with. If 'knowledge' would be done away with when the last of the apostles died - as would healing - then how come Russell had it 'divinely revealed' to him that Christ returned in 1874? Oh wait, that date was false, so couldn't have been divinely revealed.

  And what about Rutherford having the date 1925 'divinely revealed' to him? Ah, again, false date. So it couldn't have been revealed divinely.

  Add 1914, 1918, 1919, 1975 etc to the above 'divinely revealed' knowledge argument...ok, you see my point.
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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  Here's my question;

  If Satan was thrown out of heaven and landed on earth, having a great anger, is WWI the worst he could do?