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A Note For 'Wiz' And Other Wizards

by hillary_step in

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wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.

the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.

in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.

hillary_step

Wiz,

Stay within the context of this arguement.

The only argument that I will acknowledge is the one that I have established in an unbroken thread from the beginning to the end of my posts on this topic, and which you have still not attended to.

Let me put it in very simple terms and I will use a scripture to help, this is taken from Luke 9:51-55

'51 As the days were now coming to the full for him to be taken up, he firmly set his face to go to Jerusalem. 52 So he sent forth messengers in advance of him. And they went their way and entered into a village of Sa·mar'i·tans, to make preparation for him; 53 but they did not receive him, because his face was set for going to Jerusalem. 54 When the disciples James and John saw this they said: "Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and annihilate them?" 55 But he turned and rebuked them.'

Please note the reaction of Christ to the attitude of those who seemed to enjoy the prospect of the coming judgement on others. Can you not see that even those who have 'set their face' to Christ were not to be judged by others, or viewed as 'Armaggedon', or indeed 'Flood' fodder.

This is not about Gods attitude, but about the mans attitude, if he is fed a perpetual diet of exclusivity. This will inevitably lead to the kind of arrogance that was contained in the statement of yours quoted at the top of this page.

Can you see the point now?

Best regards -- HS

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A Note For 'Wiz' And Other Wizards

by hillary_step in

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wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.

the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.

in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.

hillary_step

Wiz,

According to the bible did God bring the flood that destroyed all human life outside the ark? It's the same God that will bring Armageddon. I don't think I have to go through all the scriptual refeneces that you all know. It is very clear that God is going to have a destruction of all that is wicked. He does not desire it, but to maintain spiritual soveriegnty, it is an eventual reality.

My post was not directed at God, it was directed at your good self and your reply, respectfully, does not answer the basis of the issue I posed.

At issue is the attitude of JW's who having been dealt huge servings of 'exclusivity pie', and have subsequently come to believe that among the whole of the population of the World, they are the only ones that will survive Gods wrath. It is the effect that this thinking has on their attitude toward other people that is at issue, not Gods attitude toward others.

The whole objective of the parable of the 'Good Samaritan' was surely to underline to those imprisoned in the Arkaic (pun intended), 'us and them' legalistic theology of the day, that something was badly amiss with their attitude toward other people. Remember Wiz, the 'Good Samaritan' was neither Jew, nor even a disciple of Christ, but a Samaritan.

With that in mind, I really need ask you only one question - Wiz, who really is your neighbour? Can you be sure that you have not judged a 'Good Samaritan', by the comments that originated this post.

Best regards - HS

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A Note For 'Wiz' And Other Wizards

by hillary_step in

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wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.

the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.

in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.

hillary_step

This post was edited away to digital Sheol, due to a rather strange duplication problem that has occured on this thread.

HS

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A Note For 'Wiz' And Other Wizards

by hillary_step in

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wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.

the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.

in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.

hillary_step

David & Mustang,

Thank you for your contributions.

The whole concept of exclusivity, which is the life blood of the WTS has imho a serious effect on the way the average JW view the validity of the right to life of other people compared to their own. Exclusivity is judgment, judgment based on ignorance and prejudice is dangerous.

A perpetual diet of exclusivity, force fed in a endless routine upon the average mind and heart can desensitize any person to the feelings of others. It is a standard basis for political indoctrination and the WTS have developed it into an art form.

Wiz, in an attempt to defend the sad treatment by JW’s to Englishman’s family fell into the trap of making declarations that clearly show that he feels that JW’s are better people than non-JW’s. My argument is that he has no scriptural basis to defend such a judgment, but made his comments from conditioning not compassion.

I may be wrong and would be interested in his response.

Best regards - HS

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A Note For 'Wiz' And Other Wizards

by hillary_step in

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wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.

the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.

in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.

hillary_step

Wiz,

Their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' Saint Peter will let them through the Pearly gates.

I have started a new thread on an issue that I think some might want to comment on.

The quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on Englishman’s thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.

I did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average JW would make.

Have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the JW’s as a group. In fact, I have noticed in recent times that the WTS itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, ‘worldlings’ for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause. Unfortunately, this has probably been recommended out of a spirit of PR rather than one of Christian humility, but nevertheless the WTS wants JW’s to be careful how they describe non-JW’s.

This sense of theological superiority, clearly existent within your note, allows people, who have little regard for the facts or other peoples viewpoints, to view non-JW's as expendable 'Armaggedon fodder'; as not real people. For example the many excited telephone calls I received after September 11th from JW's hoping that this destruction of human life was just the beginning, is purely a reflection of such ‘exclusive’ thinking.

According to his own words, God does not desire the destruction of humans, but it seems that the average JW does.

Further, the WTS feels that they own the only path to life, yet clearly miss the message contained in Matthew 25. Look for yourself at the attitude expressed by those who are judged worthy of life and those who are not. Those being given life are shocked to be found worthy, those expecting to receive life get a surprise.

As for myself, I judge no man, neither yourself Wiz, or those that you judge so harshly. One thing that I do know, is that a display of arrogance is often motivated by fear and more often by plain ignorance, both qualities that are repudiated by the Christ who you obviously feel is content with your attitude.

I invite others to comment on this thread which it seems to me, lies at the basis of much of the anger and confusion that acts as a deep gulf between the WTS and its critics.

Best regards - HS

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Judgment Day Before 2024....

by sunscapes in

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the link is http://www.caspro.com/caspro.htm.

recent guest on art bell show... http://www.artbell.com/.

as posted on website under "a brief history": .

hillary_step

Sunscapes,

Lets face it, predicting the end of the world is a lot more fun than working.

You need no life skills, friends, education, even a personality like frog-spawn is not a disadvantage. It is cheap, dramatic and brightens up the darkest of lives. Most importantly, no-one can prove you wrong until the prophesied day passes by.

Then, all one has to do is to have a sex change operation, move two blocks away and start all over again.

A case in point is our own resident minor prophet U NO ( please note the prophetic significance of this abbreviation - let the reader use discernment ) who apparently has had so many sex-change operations that he carries spares in his husbands hand-bag.

In fact……where has he been lately….?

HS

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UK / NHS / Tax / Mr Blurgh

by Simon in

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don't you just love the uk?.

to justify some hefty taxes rises on the horizon, we are aiming for our health service to become 'average' be the end of 4 years.

it is already the largest employer in europe (i think only the russian army had more people) and the bottemless pit needs more money.. i used to do work for some health authorities and from my experience i think the real problem is mis-management and waste.

hillary_step

Simon,

Many years ago I did some consultancy work for St. Thomas Hospital in London. I remember well that the invoice I sent them was for 4,700 pounds.

Thirty days later, right on time, I received payment, which cheered me, as chasing accounts for payment would swallow take two days of my working week.

Thirty days later I received another payment for the same amount, for the same invoice. Of course I sent it back with a covering note.

Thirty days later I received another payment for the same amount for the same invoice.

You can guess where this is going. I received SEVEN payments for the same work! I wonder how many do not bother sending back the cheques!

Best regards to yourself and your Griffin! -- HS

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To All Active, Loyal JW's--Read this....

by ashitaka in

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just a question, why do you come here?

are you doubting, looking for answers that the gb couldn't?

what is it you're trying to accomplish by participating on this board?

hillary_step

Tabby,

I'm not here to accomplish nothing. I'm here to cause trouble to most of you.

Do you think you are successful?

As for me, I think you are a splendid little chappy and would make a lovely pair of furry slippers once you finish your earthly course and are resurrected to the great litter-box in the sky…….on the other hand ……why wait…..!

Best regards -- HS

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1 Cor. 13:12

by YoYoMama in

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what did paul mean when he said "at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror."?.

was he not annointed?

did jehovah not reveal everything to him?

hillary_step

YoYo,

Paul is speaking of how one has an imperfect understanding of spiritual things on earth compared to the reality and perfect understanding of seeing Christ face to face in heavenly life, i.e 'When we get to heaven we will really know'. It is all about the promise of a ressurection, not the 'light getting brighter', which scripture incidentally does not pertain to anything but growth of personal wisdom in worship of God. Read the whole chapter in Proverbs, and you will see the point of what Solomon was trying to say.

This whole idea of revelations being made known gradually to the 'church' is interesting, as it is on exactly the same principle that most other religions feel that God has enlightened them with many of their exclusive doctrines over the passage of time.

How do you seperate their revelations from WTS revelations?

Best regards - HS

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Never, Ever Believe A Thing They Tell You.

by Englishman in

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my son and daughter from my previous marriage have just been kicked in the teeth by witness teaching.

they have never ever been jws, which makes it worse imo.. they have just been dumped by their jw grandfather, dumped by their uncle, dumped by their aunt.

when my dfd ex-wife lost her mother a couple of years back, her jw sisters and brother decided to put a stop to my exs alienation.

hillary_step

Wiz,

I think the issue here may not revolve simply around protecting children from dangerous influences.

It seems to be that the exclusion of a person from the WTS is interpreted by the average JW as if they are automatically a dangerous influence on others. This is not E'mans family excluding other members from associating with them, this is E'Mans family being instructed to exclude association with them by other people, on the grounds that those people find them to be a dangerous influence.

This should be a family matter and a matter of individual conscience not a corporate-theological matter.

HS

PS - I hope that your spelling of the word 'board' as 'bored' is not a Freudian slip. :)

hillary_step

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