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  A WTS lie for UN "association"

  by hawkaw in

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  2. scandals

  full deposit: publications and masthead documents in english.

  partial deposit: publications in english.

  partial deposit: publications in english.

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  hillary_step

  YK,

  An interesting post - thank you.

  It seems to me that there is an unfaithful element buried deep within the Society, even an apostate faction in Bethel itself that is subtly steering the Watchtower onto the rocks in a deliberate act of sabotage.

  Perhaps what you refer to is the schism that has been developing for some while between the more progressive elements and the old guard in some of the major Branches around the world. The conservatives are losing the battle as can be evidenced by the changing doctrines the past few years that seek to present a more socially acceptable WTS, this is not to the liking of some.

  Speak with your friends in Writing Robert, they will bear witness to my words.

  As to the UN/NGO debacle, this is more a faux-pas on the part of the WTS than a sinister plot. The issue has been sitting waiting like an unexploded bomb for 11 years. It was not cleaned up from within, but as is the mark of a lumbering and rudderless WTS these days, it was attended too by pressure from individuals outside the Organization.

  You seem to acknowledge a need for 'house-cleaning' yet vilify, sometimes in the most spiteful and unworthy terms, those who courageously effect such changes. Those who work at senior level within the WTS and are doing their utmost for example to bring about changes in the blood issue, disfellowshipping issue to bring them into line with scripture rather than Corporate ideals, have over the past decade effected some real changes that have saved lives. Though they bring the changes that you seem to herald as necessary you still view them as enemies of God. This seems very strange and I would appreciate your rationalization on this point.

  It seems that there lives a wolf in Robert, who raids, and turns, and runs…….

  Kind regards - HS
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  The Watchtower's Official Explanation of the Scand

  by Kent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  [h3]here is the watchtower's official explanations on the un scandal![/h3.

  the letter is, naturally - on the watchtower observer as well!.

  yachyd da.

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  hillary_step

  Another cunning stunt from the Asylum For The Theologically Insane.

  HS
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  LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

  as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

  since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

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  hillary_step

  Hi Cuddles,

  This is at least the 3rd time you have announced that this thread is a waste of time. My question is: Why do you waste your time reading it and making silly comments?

  Masochism - what is your excuse?

  If you want a definition and continuing expose of 'silly thoughts', Simon has introduced a new feature to the Board that allows a poster to view all the threads that they have started - just click the icon next to your profile.

  As you seem to have a mind that lives in a forest by the sea, can you explain to us why you think that this thread is not a stupendous waste of space?

  HS

  It will generally be found that those who sneer habitually at human nature, and effect to despise it, are among its worse and least pleasant samples-Dickens.
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  How many do you know like this?

  by crownboy in

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  2. friends

  a bethelite brother gave a public talk at our hall a couple weeks ago.

  one part of the talk focused on "putting kingdom interest first".

  he gave examples of how some gave up material comfort so they could pursue the ministry.

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  hillary_step

  Crownboy,

  This experience is doing the rounds at the moment, compliments of the latest outline for CO's at Patterson.

  One needs to ask whether this one tired tale of JW martyrdom does not actually prove the reverse of its lesson. One experience stretched to an embarrassing breaking point across the lives of 1000's of JW's.

  A few shaky zealots, or those looking for Assembly talks, will be emotionally compromised into leaving the Boardroom for a bucket and ladder but most will look the other way as if they had not heard a thing.

  The average JW is learning very quickly that martyrs used to be very easy to come by, but are rarer than an Islamic Lingerie salesman these days.

  HS
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  LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

  as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

  since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

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  hillary_step

  What a stupendous waste of time and effort this thread has been.

  All opinions seem to rest at the end of the day in the exact position that they did at the beginning. At least YK can claim inspiration under the mighty hand of a heavenly Ativan. The rest of us should stare at our boots with shame.

  A grander squandering of keyboard springs and retinal focus, I have yet to read.

  Just my subtle opinion of course - HS
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  How Do You Handle Hypocrisy?

  by GinnyTosken in

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  2. friends

  how do you handle hypocrisy?

  appears in the november 15, 2001 watchtower.

  the article intrigues me because instead of a clear-cut condemnation of hypocrisy, the article wavers back and forth.. first, the writer defines hypocrisy:.

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  hillary_step

  Well Done Ginny,

  A thought provoking and well judged post.

  Rather reminded me of Hillaire Bellocs' words on the subject, 'The worst sort of hypocrite and liar is the man who lies to himself in order to feel at ease'.

  By the way, where did you get my picture? Has Kent been at it again?

  Kind regards to you Ginny - HS
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  I've Had It - I Just Can't Do it Anymore

  by troubled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, it seems we're back to the same "you're a troll; you're not a troll" thing.

  it seems that my posts make too many of you "uncomfortable," you have an "intuition," you "can't put your finger on it," whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  i thought this was a place where people can post and be heard.

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  hillary_step

  LauraLisa,

  Thank you, an inspiring and well written post.

  HS
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  genealogical records destroyed in AD70?

  by Moxy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading about genetics and genealogy and got to wondering about the claims of genealogy that the wt makes.

  doesnt it seem odd that when faced with the recorded genealogy of jesus in the gospels which obviously skips several generations, the wt says that the genealogy was so well-known to the jews that a writer could take some liberties with the lists because the reader would be familiar enough with it to fill in certain details?

  also, the author of the genealogy could not afford to make the slightest mistake because the readers were so familiar with the genealogy and because anybody could, on a whim, go check the all-important master records kept in the temple.. but, on the other hand, when the romans sacked jerusalem suddenly this information that was so well-known that it barely required telling in detail was suddenly lost for all time.. as with all of these ultra-simplistic explanations, i just went along and hadnt really thought too much about it but now looking back, i knew something funny must be going on.

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  hillary_step

  Mox,

  Very interesting post.

  When I worked at the BM many eons ago I remember reading a thesis on this issue.

  If my memory serves me Vespasian, according to Eusebius, was thought to have captured the records at the fall of Jerusalem and Roman historians were put to work tracking down the Jewish regal line to eradicate it.

  Tradition has it that the Romans kept the records in the central library in Rome but they were destroyed when Rome was sacked by the Visigoths in 400 and something.

  Don't quote me on details - I will try to look up some information over the next few days.

  HS

  PS - check your mail Mox
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  I've Had It - I Just Can't Do it Anymore

  by troubled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, it seems we're back to the same "you're a troll; you're not a troll" thing.

  it seems that my posts make too many of you "uncomfortable," you have an "intuition," you "can't put your finger on it," whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  i thought this was a place where people can post and be heard.

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  hillary_step

  Troubled,

  Email me when you can.

  HS
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  Crisis of Conscience: POLL

  by Grout in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.

  the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.

  maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?

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  hillary_step

  NYT,

  i am shocked at how everyone takes this book as
  100% truth

  lol - This must be the 'Proclaimers' book that you allude to?

  I have friends who are in Writing, both Stateside and Europe who knew Mr. Franz well. That they read the book while emotionally blackmailing the 'sheep' not to, is interesting in itself, that they largely agreed that the information was accurate is even more interesting.

  Perhaps when you are appointed as an elder, and I surmise that you are not by your comment which shows an ignorance of the WTS modus at middle-management level, you will likely have an adjusted view of RF and his crisis of conscience.

  HS