hello, i am new to this site, and i am dating a jw.
however, my experience has been quite different from that of others doing the same thing.
unlike other posts that i have read, her parents (we are both 18) are supportive of her relationship with me, she is quite open minded when it comes to social activities, she has both jw and non-jw friends, and is a totally "normal" 18 year old girl.
John--run like hell son... If she was active you would'nt be in the picture right now at all.
These people are fence sitters... they will play you with the best and WORST of both the WITNESS culture. I'ts hard enough to deal with these folks from the inside much less in your situation.
Just my 2cents John
HILLBILLY
the other night i was watching "king of .
queens"with a friend and he said you are "carrie"!!!
i thought about it and he was right.. what character are you?
Wilford Brimley as the Quaker Oatmeal pitch man....crossed with Festus from Gunsmoke.
"Matthew, it's the right thing to do!"
1.suicide--knew three personally who took their lives... 2.mate swapping--(literally) two couples--the two who committed adultry and got df'd together got married and the two innocent mates married each other...the poor kids were really screwed up!.
3.plenty of adultry... 4.lots of alcoholism--knew a sister who used to drink first thing in the morning...even before meetings.. 5.domestic violence--battered wives, some of them married to elders... 6.child abuse--worst of all.
7.believe it or not...knew several jw's who were murdered.... and they call this a spiritual paradise???
MARRIAGE 1
Married to a substance abusing violent tempered "sister" who I "left" (went to work out of town). She got "evicted" (land lady lauged out loud when she found me to arrange last payments of rent).
Among other things: Entrapment- she tried to attack me while I was lying down, a full body charge, so I rolled out of bed, side steped her and subdued her with a half nelson. She bumped her nose going to the floor.
She goe scootin across the street to the witness neighbor...he comes over and threatens to KMA for beating on her.
Throws large water glass at me on the spiral. Cuts me on the eye like a boxers cut eye.
Basically lies about everything to everybody about the whole deal...I have to defend myself from the elders as they have decided I'm the rat. They can't prove anything so the witnesses start a systematic harassment using the powers of the sevice desk and the CO.
She tells me to move stuff from new apartmnent after reconciliation breaks up... Sets me up -power is off and I'm in the house with my sister using a flash light to gather my stuff. Comeing out the door I see a brite flash of light...The off duty cop from across the way is in the yard behind a tree brandishing a stainless steel handgun , and the cav is on the way to back him up...He tells me that she told him she had a restraining order and peace bond (not true)The on duty cops ran me over the radio and I was clean of warrants and court orders. I thought he was a robber cause he never said "POLICE"... I had been know to carry (legally)on ocassion so he was damned lucky he didnt get capped in self defence. Thank god I knew enough to have left mine home not wanting to encounter her and all...
This thing got really wild on the witness social side too. Folks in 4 or 5 congergations where we had relatives etc. took sides snd the back biting began. I think I was slandered as much as anyone on the planet.
Aftermath- She cheated a bro out of a car, got tossed out of several rental arangments wit witness women, went lesbo (so Ive heard), Got divorced, Joined the Navy and alientaed he family.
Me--I hung on guilty about a "failed" marriage, moved, at a lot of crap trying to "prove" myself worthy of the congo. enough about one I'll let you all know about Wife 2 in another posting.
Bottom line--witnesses have ALL of the same problems they condem the "world" for... In one breath when disiplining or sticking there nose in,their "Gods orginazation" ask for an apology when the advice blows up, "whe are imperfect men"
Hillbilly
not hijacking the thread but truth is always better than fiction class
july 2002 question box : " what should we bear in mind when using cellular telephones and electronic pagers?
this in my mind is the ultimate question in the sense that it really shows how rediculessly micro-managed we were in this religion.
disect this one for a moment.
If you keep the pager on vibrate and carry it in your pants can you still have meeting parts? please call often!
it's a funny ol' world.
a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.
so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).
Well they do seem to work... Has to do with magnetic interference of the object your looking for and the chemistry of the operators body.
You can find vacant (empty) metal pipe and plastic pipe with rods also. Energized electric cable will show up with them to.
"A hillbilly thing", or the body doing the will of the mind---Maybe, however I know of several facility locators working at major, big city electric, gas and water companies that will use rods with good sucess. That bums me out because part of my "day job" is to teach 'em how the high tech locating equipment works. Having a partner that could witch has saved me from going back to the shop for locating equipment or digging up and damaging a buried facility more than once.
The folks I was working with were not pagans, witches or nut jobs either. A couple of them were atheist. So I don't see a "Spiritual" connection.
Never could do it myself with any consistency, however I have worked with several people who could. Back to feilds and chem --I screw up FM radios at certain Freqs and stop wristwatches when I wear 'em (have a drawer full of cheap to mid-priced ones that seized right up. Seems that soil type and chem will affect the results also. (it affects some electrical fault locating equipment too)
just for fun!!!
my friend sent this to me.
http://disney.go.com/vacations/websites/100yom/secret/flash.html.
Ol Yeller----ya'll figure it out.
i cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.
i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.
i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".
Mostly I think we need to get and distribute the Chi-town news clippings and the transcripts of the court actions in this crime. This will prove the "assistance" if any by WT reps in the Chicago area in the perpetration of this crime.
Testimony transcripts are great----I'd like to see the arraingment record myself. I'd also like to see the defence witness list as it becomes available.
The Media is very regional----if not for the net I would not have this news---I only live 300 miles form Chicago. Silentlambs has been great for getting the facts out in ped cases. Lets get the facts for this IL murder collected in one spot .
This case has to be as big as Jon Bennet in CO.
i cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.
i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.
i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".
See the Post Chicago Murder and the press below------anybody in Chicago that can help with transcripts etc. Lets not get even- lets use the tools we have to act human.
student book offers a twisted history 'coarse'.
updated: thu, nov 15 8:04 am est.
by sarah tippit.
Student Book Offers a Twisted History 'Coarse'
Updated: Thu, Nov 15 8:04 AM EST
By Sarah Tippit
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Experience history from the Stoned Age to the Blintz Krieg!
From Middle Evil Times to the Age of Now, from the Land of Milk and Chocolate to the
Iran Hostess Crisis and the fall of the Berlin Mall!
Welcome to the wonderful world of "Non Campus Mentis," (Workman) a book of mangled
moments of Western Civilization culled from actual term papers and exams of today's
"brightest" students by incredulous college professor Anders Henriksson who, while grading
exams, chose to laugh, rather than cry, at his students' most egregious mistakes.
History, after all, is nothing more than "the behind of the present," according to one student,
who aptly added: "This gives incites from the anals of the past."
The once-mighty British Empire is in a "state of recline. Its colonies have slowly dribbled
away leaving only the odd speck on the map." Chairman "Moo" has passed away, as has
former President "Franklin Eleanor Roosavelt," and civil rights leader "Martin Luther Junior"
was slain in the 1960s, shortly after making his famous "If I Had A Hammer" speech.
Hitler, a depressed "Nazi leader of a Communist Germany" who spurred a huge
"anti-semantic" movement through a terrifying "Gespacho," launched "Operation Barbarella"
while the English "vanely hoped for peas." The war began turning around, though, when the
"Allies landed near Italy's toe and gradually advanced up her leg.
Hitler ultimately "shot himself in the bonker."
'CRETINALIA HISTORICA'
At its best, the 150-page book "illustrates the ingenious and often comic ways we all attempt
to make sense of information we can't understand because we have no context or frame of
reference for it," according to Henriksson, chairman of the history department at Shepherd
College in West Virginia. He began compiling samples 20 years ago at the University of
Toronto where he also taught.
Shortly after he began his collection, he published an article in the "Wilson Quarterly" titled
"College Kids Say the Darndest Things," which prompted amused colleagues at more than
two dozen universities in the United States and Canada including West Point, University of
Alberta and McMaster, to regularly send him their own inane prose collections. Last year,
when he realized his office overflowed with funny samples of "cretinalia historica" the idea for
a book was born.
While Henriksson declined to identify all the schools involved he said they ranged from
moderately to highly competitive, about half were in Canada, no Ivy League schools were
represented, and that one of the entries came from Oxford in England.
At its worst, the book may reflect a generation raised in ignorance by bad schools and
disengaged parents.
"This is not the norm," Henriksson told Reuters in an interview. What you have here is almost
30 years of my collecting from students' (works) at various institutions. This really represents
sort of the creme de la creme of the creatively inane."
Did he make it up?
"No!" he said. "Who could make this stuff up except Mel Brooks. I'm not Mel Brooks."
Which prompts the question: Should people sound the alarms and search for an "escape
goat?"
Maybe. Hundreds of student contributors received passing grades with such statements as:
"When the Davy Jones Index crashed in 1929 many people were left to political incineration.
Some, like John Paul Sart, retreated into extraterrestrialism. The New Deal was an idea
inspired by Franklin Eleanor Roosavelt."
(The Boston Tea Party, by the way, was held at Pearl Harbor.)
Gravity of the misstatements aside, the bloopers make a great reference whether one seeks
information on the Canadian Missile Crisis, clashes between Israelis and Parisians, or the
Gulf War in which, according to one scholar: "Satan Husane invaided Kiwi and Sandy
Arabia."
(No doubt an act of "premedication.")
'NEW INCITES'
Henriksson said the errors fall into three major categories. Some are simply caused by bad
spelling or a lack of proofreading, and come out funny. Some were prompted by a
"profound lack of preparation, while others, just seem to be "really out at sea," he said.
"You get the ones who don't really even seem to understand there's a line between past and
present and they tell you that the first airplane was flown by the Marx Brothers. I had this
one kid who wrote that Spartacus led a slave rebellion in ancient Rome and then appered in
a movie about it later."
The book offers fresh new "incites" on history from "prehistoricle" times through "King Toot"
and the birth of "monolithic" religion.("Judyism had one big God named Yahoo").
The book goes on to "chronicle" the birth of Christianity ("Just another mystery cult until
Jesus was born") and, his pronouncement, later, that "The mice shall inherit the earth."
The book sheds new light on the lives of Martin Luther (he nailed 95 theocrats to a church
door), "Florence of Arabia," and General George "Custard" who managed to stand up
anyway.
("Martian Luther King's" four steps to direct action, by the way, included "self purification,"
when you "allow yourself to be eaten to a pulp.")
In its final pages, the book includes students' geographical misconceptions as represented on
several world maps bearing such labels as "The Land of Milk and Chocolate" and "Home of
Golden Fleas" (in the Ancient World) to "Bulemia," "Whales," "Roam," the "Eel of France,"
and the "Automaton Empire" (as they were known in the "Middle Evil" Times).
And it notes that, yes, there has indeed been a change in America's "social seen," over the
centuries. The last stage, according to the book, is "The Age of Now. This concept grinds
our critical, seething minds to a halt."
Until then, however, we Americans, "in all humidity" are nothing less than "the people of
currant times."
i was at work tonight and we were joking around and talking about old shows we used to watch while growing up.
i thought it would be fun if we wrote a line from a show and see if we could guess what show it came from.
my name is lenny, and if i ain't got it, there isn't any.
Smokey nd the Bandit----
