with the watchtower having a 25million monthly print, here is the breakdown.
1 tree will make 8,333 sheets of paper.
each watchtower, atleast the last i had, had around 16 sheets.
Paper does not come from Rain forests.
Wasting paper does not equal destroying the environment.
You can think of wasting paper as equal to "stimulating the economy"
The more you "waste" the more trees that get planted by the paper companies.
The trees cut to print literature were planted for the express purpose of being harvested to make paper.
with the watchtower having a 25million monthly print, here is the breakdown.
1 tree will make 8,333 sheets of paper.
each watchtower, atleast the last i had, had around 16 sheets.
The trees used for paper were planted to be harvested to make paper.
just like the potatoes planted to make French fries.
there are more trees today than there were in 1920.
the rain forest is an entirely unrelated issue.
i am feeling down... i feel trapped, and don't know what to do... just need to vent here i guess.... so my mom calls me today, and asks how i am doing.
"how are you doing spiritually?
" i respond... yeah, you know, the usuals... service, meeting, etc.... she tells me that she's doing a lot of service with my dad... i say, "great!"...
The game was invented before you were born. The game is rigged. You're doing what you have to do, in order to escape in the best way possible.
It's not your fault.
i have recently joined the site.
i was just appointed an elder this summer.
i started discovering the ttatt (the truth about the truth) last year after putting a few things together myself concerning the leadership and then doing some research online.. i really enjoyed jwfacts.com, jwsurvey, and others.
Welcome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hx5mghrvbs.
Thanks for sharing with us.
ok so you got out of the watchtower society after discerning it was false.
what is amazing is how many have turned their back on the king or was it they had no faith in the first place and the spiritual food they received did not help them stand upon a rock.
jesus the christ your saviour is a living breathing being with emotions.
I am predestined for Hell.
Who am I to question God's plan?
This is a perfect trolling thread topic.
when i served in bethel during the late 90's i was told by several bethel elders that since the city did not approve the 30 story residential building (now 90 sands) to be built in columbia heights, bethelites were sent to stand in front of city hall as a protest.
this was approved by the gb.. i wasn't there at that time but my question is.... is there anybody here that may have been at bethel or nyc at that time that can shed more light on this?
the wt criticizes organizations and individuals that protest to protect their rights.
This did happen.
the word out of bethel is of a mass purge the likes of the 1980's.. there's also possible public reproofs handed out for irregular ones.. .
the scriptures they are using to support this:.
the very ones keeping away from you will perish.
Never going to happen.
recently, i wanted to make sure i was being accurate about wt doctrine, so i read a number of wt articles about salvation.. i was surprised to see how many of them say that everlasting life is a gift based on the ransom sacrifice, that it can't be earned.. if you talk to a jw they may even quote this teaching.. yet if you try to tell a jw that the bible says the salvation comes by grace through faith, they immediately tell you that faith without works is dead and that you need to take in knowledge, obey god's laws, identify and join jehovah's organization, and for the rest of your life go door to door with the good news of jehovah's kingdom.. why do you think jws can't see the contradiction in all of this?.
how can we get across to them that this doesn't make sense?.
Calvinism and Predestination introduce another set of complexities, also.
You could argue all of these things around, around, and around.
The problem is one of authority. To the JW, the Watchtower magazine is THE authority. Whatever is printed, they believe it.
So, the challenge is to get the JW to recognize a different authority. Doctrine is almost irrelevant. The strongly held beliefs that a JW has today, can change completely, with the publication of a WT magazine. This is a very real example of why the details of doctrine are irrelevant.
When the new light is published, they will vehemently defend the new light -- even if it is 180 degrees opposite of what they defended last week.
recently, i wanted to make sure i was being accurate about wt doctrine, so i read a number of wt articles about salvation.. i was surprised to see how many of them say that everlasting life is a gift based on the ransom sacrifice, that it can't be earned.. if you talk to a jw they may even quote this teaching.. yet if you try to tell a jw that the bible says the salvation comes by grace through faith, they immediately tell you that faith without works is dead and that you need to take in knowledge, obey god's laws, identify and join jehovah's organization, and for the rest of your life go door to door with the good news of jehovah's kingdom.. why do you think jws can't see the contradiction in all of this?.
how can we get across to them that this doesn't make sense?.
Never discuss doctrine. <-----It may sound silly, but Hassan is right. This is a dead end street. It's not about correct doctrine.
("Grace" is not a component of JW dogma. The very term is foreign to them.)
