Will a stronger Christian presence result in more blessings from the Father being poured out upon the forum? If not, why?
leavingwt
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Stronger Christian presence on JWN?
by Christ Alone ini've only been a member here for a short time, but it seems like there are more christians on the board lately.
for the first few months that i was on jwn, it appeared that there were very few that argued in favor of a creator and belief in the bible in particular.
there seems to be several more that have recently joined...or at least posted more regularly regarding belief.
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Who Is On Your Concert "Wish List"?
by breakfast of champions inhere's a few i've missed and hope to see:.
leonard cohen.
radiohead.
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leavingwt
Ryan Adams (not Bryan Adams)
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Has the Governing Body 2.0 commenced Phase I of OHP (Operation History Purge)?
by Calebs Airplane inwith the recent boe letter that atlantis posted on jwn regarding older publications that needed to be destroyed or discarded from all kingdom halls and the new on-line library on jw.org which only goes back to the year 2000, i wonder if the gb 2.0 is about to eliminate the wt library cd which contains watchtower mags all the way back to 1950. is there even a cd for 2012?
if there is, i think it'll be their last cd before they go all on-line.
either way, it clear that the gb 2.0 (aka fds) has a plan to erase any evidence of their unsustainable bs in the last 130 years....
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leavingwt
DATA-DOG: Proceed with caution. If you don't want to be DF'd, you'll want to keep your questions to yourself, no matter how honest and sincere they are. As Hassan can tell you, loyal cult members have ears trained to detect the slightest waivering from official dogma. Further, any attitude less than 100% submission sets off alarm bells.
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Tech Question for 80+ year old JW
by Balaamsass inquestion: are any cheap computers user friendly for the elderly?.
i have some family members with bad eyes and a spot of dementia.
has anyone used one of the new big hp touchscreens with windows 8?
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leavingwt
If he or she has been away from computers for 20 years, I would absolutely recommend a Mac. However, there is no such thing as a "cheap" Mac.
Do you have a budget number?
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Tech Question for 80+ year old JW
by Balaamsass inquestion: are any cheap computers user friendly for the elderly?.
i have some family members with bad eyes and a spot of dementia.
has anyone used one of the new big hp touchscreens with windows 8?
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leavingwt
Has this "elderly" person ever used a computer?
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Has the Governing Body 2.0 commenced Phase I of OHP (Operation History Purge)?
by Calebs Airplane inwith the recent boe letter that atlantis posted on jwn regarding older publications that needed to be destroyed or discarded from all kingdom halls and the new on-line library on jw.org which only goes back to the year 2000, i wonder if the gb 2.0 is about to eliminate the wt library cd which contains watchtower mags all the way back to 1950. is there even a cd for 2012?
if there is, i think it'll be their last cd before they go all on-line.
either way, it clear that the gb 2.0 (aka fds) has a plan to erase any evidence of their unsustainable bs in the last 130 years....
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leavingwt
"I disagree that " new light " totally negates their history, although I understand the concept."
I get what you're saying. My reply would be this: if you confront an elder or CO with any particular, troubling paragraph from a past publication (wherever you must obtain it), they will dismiss it as being old.
In this sense, the 'new light' concept allows them to dismiss any previous writings, if they no longer reflect the "current truth". <------ LOL, "current truth"
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Has the Governing Body 2.0 commenced Phase I of OHP (Operation History Purge)?
by Calebs Airplane inwith the recent boe letter that atlantis posted on jwn regarding older publications that needed to be destroyed or discarded from all kingdom halls and the new on-line library on jw.org which only goes back to the year 2000, i wonder if the gb 2.0 is about to eliminate the wt library cd which contains watchtower mags all the way back to 1950. is there even a cd for 2012?
if there is, i think it'll be their last cd before they go all on-line.
either way, it clear that the gb 2.0 (aka fds) has a plan to erase any evidence of their unsustainable bs in the last 130 years....
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leavingwt
The new light concept makes their history unimportant. There is no need to eliminate it.
All WT publications are like cartons of milk: they have an expiration date.
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JW played me and broke my heart
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leavingwt
Welcome!
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Reaching Loved Ones Stuck in a Cult: An Idea for Discussion
by 00DAD inyou may have heard the expression: "the map is not the territory.
" have you ever thought about how this idea may help you reach your loved ones stuck in a cult?
the phrase has been attributed to polish-american scientist and philosopher alfred korzybski.
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leavingwt
If the blood issue had not arisen with my unborn son, I'm afraid I would have never mentally escaped. That is a scary thought, yet there it is. Only when faced with a decision that could have meant the life of my son, was I really shaken to the point of allowing myself to indulge my doubts about the religion, and to examine with an open mind, “apostate” literature. (Then, as fate would have it, my former Bethel roommate suggested that I read Crisis of Conscience. He was ahead of me, mentally, in his exit.)
One thing that Steve Hassan candidly admits, is that if a person is truly happy as a member of a high-control group, they are probably not going to exit. In my own case, I wasn't really that happy (most of the time), so perhaps I would have found my way out, even without the blood situation with my son.
On the one hand, I truly believe (as Hassan does) that at their core, people want to be free. On the other hand, it's very true that learning TTATT can set into motion a chain of events that not everyone is prepared to handle. Further, some of them (seemingly) cannot make the transition. It is quite possible that a person’s life can take a serious turn for the worse, especially if their financial security is tied up other JWs. I would also guess that severely introverted persons with little real-world life experience would quickly be placed into a severely disadvantaged state, if they were to find themselves being shunned by the local congregation.
Rescuing a loved one from the WT, and having your family restored is one of the greatest joys of my life. When it happened, it almost didn't seem real, at first. It is definitely a worthwhile goal. I got incredibly lucky, with another perfect storm of circumstances allowing my older (never baptized) brother to have repeated and direct interactions with our JW parents and with our younger JW brother. He followed the suggestions put forth by Steve Hassan in these interactions. By necessity, these interactions usually included what some would label as deception. For example when speaking to my mother, she would constantly ask him whether or not he still believed certain doctrines, such as the 144,000. He would reply, “Yes, of course.” This would allow the conversation to continue, on whatever topic he was trying to discuss. Telling the truth would have immediately ended the conversation. JWs will ask these types of questions, because they need a mental excuse to tune you out, to stop listening. You must deflect these questions. I mention this, because many mistakenly believe that being brutally honest is an effective method, or perhaps they believe it’s the Christian method. I can speak from experience when I say you’re most likely going to have to use deception to reach your loved ones. If and when they exit, they’ll be glad you did. It will be a non-issue. It will be self-evident to them that you were using the method that worked.
The exit begins in the mind, IMHO. A person must answer 'Yes' to this question: "Can you see yourself as being happy, yet no longer a JW?"
When you can mentally (and even secretly) get to 'Yes' on this question, you're beginning your exit.
Membership and status within the WT organization is not like a pair of glasses though which the JW sees the world. The organization is his very eyes themselves. Every aspect of his thinking is affected by the indoctrination. The entire worldview centers on all things WT.
The video above was very clever and it does indeed demonstrate how "perspective" is so important. This is why I agree with Don Cameron, when he asserts that nobody has ever joined the JWs, after having undertaken a study of the history of the WT organization. Viewed through history, from the beginning until the modern day, most people will conclude that the WT religion is ridiculous, and even fanatical.
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Who's betting this photo was taken in the bethel kitchen?
by cedars infrom page 3 of the february 2013 awake!....
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cedars.
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leavingwt
We also have an obesity crisis. Imagine if we actually did eat everything.