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  RUSSIA: Sacked for being Jehovah's Witnesses

  by blondie in

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  this article was published by f18news on: 4 may 2004russia: sacked for being jehovah's witnesses

  by geraldine fagan, moscow correspondent, forum 18 news service

  sergei popov and aleksandr takhteyev, two of three jehovah's witnesses sacked on 1 april by a private firm on the russian pacific island of sakhalin, claimed to forum 18 news service that there was a direct link between the decision to sack them and the ban on the jehovah's witnesses in the russian capital imposed by a moscow court several days earlier.

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  scholar;

  I don't think AlanF. needs any defense from me; however it is positively true that a JW would disobey Caesars laws on an order from the WT. There is no doubt of this fact, how far the order would penetrate the fabric of law is another question.

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  I'm Very Concerned

  by Farkel in

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  i'm very concerned about our own minimus.

  his last thread is four pages back as i write.

  normally his first one or two hundred threads are on the default page or on pages two or three at the very least.. does he need help here?

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  Farkel,

  I know minimus, and your NO minimus. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  Marrying a non-believer?

  by sparky79 in

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  i am currently dating a jehovas-witness, and have been for a while.

  we have talked about marriage, but a lot of what i hear and read is that for her to marry a non-believer is frowned upon by others in the religion.

  i am a non-believer of any religion.

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  My main concern, is that she comes from a very poor background (neither parent works, and 5 children) and I am reasonably well off. Friends have said it's the money which is enticing her and she is prepared to go against her religion to lead a comfortable life.

  Listen to your friends. You will resent the family in the long run, not to mention also support them.

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  Moscow Bans JW's

  by HoChiMin in

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  it must be satan?

  http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/r/russia_jehovahs_witnesses?site=apweb&section=home&template=default.

  mar 27, 12:26 pm est.

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  It must be Satan?

  http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RUSSIA_JEHOVAHS_WITNESSES?SITE=APWEB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  Mar 27, 12:26 PM EST Moscow Court Bans Jehovah's Witnesses By ANNELI NERMAN Associated Press Writer MOSCOW (AP) -- A Moscow court has banned the religious activities of Jehovah's Witnesses from the Russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom. Prosecutors claimed Jehovah's Witnesses destroys families and fosters hatred. Moscow's Golovinsky district court on Friday granted their request that it be outlawed in the capital under a provision that allows courts to ban religious groups considered to incite hatred or intolerant behavior. John Burns, a Canadian lawyer for the group, pledged to appeal the decision to higher Russian courts and to pursue it in the European Court of Human Rights. "Religious minorities are often a litmus test for where a society is going... this is an ominous signal," he said. Defense lawyer Galina Krylova argued that the decision has no legal foundation as the prosecutor simply cited the denomination's religious literature. Interactive Background on Chechnya Latest News Ten Russian Soldiers Killed in Chechnya '; get_ad2 += ' '; get_ad2 += ''; get_ad2 += ' '; document.writeln(get_ad2); self.focus(); } //--> Latest News Moscow Court Bans Jehovah's Witnesses Ten Russian Soldiers Killed in Chechnya Stalinist Purge Victims' Names Released Russia Frees Two Qatari Wrestlers Russia Navy Chief Flip-Flops on Flagship Putin Calls for Coordinated Terror Fight "The activities of Jehovah's Witnesses weren't the subject of the court trial ...the subject was the religious beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses... doctrinal arguments," Krylova said. The U.S. State Department also criticized the decision. "We deplore the recent decision ... to ban the religious activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Moscow and to liquidate their legal entity," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Friday in Washington. "We urge local authorities and the Russian government to honor their commitments to respect the right of all faiths to religious freedom," he added. The Moscow group has been fighting for survival since 1998 when proceedings were first launched to shut them down. In 2001, a local court threw out prosecutors' attempts to ban the group in a ruling hailed as a sign of increased religious tolerance. But another court later ordered a new hearing in the case and the second trial began in the Golovinsky Court in the spring of 2002. The ongoing legal battle and a refusal by justice authorities to reregister the group as required by a 1997 law have already hampered the activities of the capital's estimated 10,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. "Hearing today's verdict I think we returned to the Soviet Union of 50 years ago," said Vasily Kalin. Kalin was sent into exile in Siberia in 1951 at the age of 4 with his family and another 10,000 Jehovah's Witnesses who refused to renounce their faith during Stalin's state-atheism campaign. Russia's 1997 religion law enshrines Orthodox Christianity as the country's predominant religion and pledges respect for Buddhism, Islam and Judaism, but places restrictions on other groups. Christian Presber, a spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, said Saturday that the denomination has more than 133,000 members nationwide. He expressed concern about the ramifications of the court's decision for communities outside Moscow. "We anticipate it's going to unleash a whole plethora of new attempts by local and regional authorities to impede our activities," Presber said. Also Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he favored drafting a bill on state support "to the spiritual leaders of traditional religious confessions," the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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  Did You Ever Tell An Elder Something Confidential Only To Hear It Blabbed??

  by minimus in

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  elders are supposed to maintain confidentiality.

  if they don't, they can be deleted as elders.

  still, one of the biggest complaints that i can recall from some in the congregation, was that elder so-and-so told his wife or another ms that someone had a problem or had to be counseled.....did it ever happen to you?

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  Minimus;

  Remember the time I told you about the couple that had anal sex? All of a sudden everyone knew them as the bumf%&*# family.

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  Another nite at work, thinking how to get the elders back...

  by dustyb in

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  i remember a post a few days ago titled "have you ever gotten back at the congregation/elders" or somethin like that.

  and now.....i think i have the answer.

  all these elders think they can go around, saying their shit doesn't stink and disfellowship anyone who disagree's with them or the organization, or if they "get ahead of jehovah".

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  all these elders think they can go around, saying their shit doesn't stink and disfellowship anyone who disagree's with them or the organization, or if they "get ahead of jehovah".

  The truth is they can. The elders are in the position to do exactly as they do and should amongst other JW's.

  A suggestion would be to leave if you don't like the rules. It's their club and club house and it hurts to be tossed out as a member. Anger is normal when your treatment feels unjust but in time you'll realize how trivial their rules are to the rest of your life.

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  In Other Words..............dead

  by simplesally in

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  rather than say someone is dead some people say funny little things likehe bought the farmhe's taking a dirt nap.

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  Shit The Bed
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  Awake!: Caption Time!

  by Stephanus in

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  here's a typical awake!

  cover showing the sorts of problems we have that won't be solved until 99.999% of the population die at armageddon:.

  here's the cover with the text editted out to help you in your captioning quest:.

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  Would You Give Blood To Someone Against Their Wishes?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  this subject came up with my mother yesterday.

  she is in her late 70's.

  she adamantly refuses blood.

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  Not to an adult.

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  Witness parents?

  by happysunshine in

  1. social
  2. family

  do any of you have witness parents?

  if so, how do you deal with them?

  i'm not fealing really great about the way everything has turned out.

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  Parents who shun their own children because of JW beliefs are seriously troubled. Just like the whole organization is troubled. They don?t see the backlash that outsiders see when they here of such bizarre behaviors. Who would want to become part of a hate group that turns on family at the instruction that it?s a loving thing to do? [Example: (Q) How?s your mother / father I hope they are well? (A) I don?t know their Jehovah?s Witnesses and won?t talk to me because I don?t believe as they do.] JW?s think this stance will encourage the errant one to return as well as increase their ranks and spread love to all. How ironic or should that be idiotic?

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