almost unbelievably after 4 years of staying away from the hall and the jws last week they called and said there were allegations of apostasy against us.
we have been very quiet about our feelings and so were very surprised and angered.
we were told that they were going to discuss the allegation and determine if we would be formally accused of apostasy.
You must remember that most of the time "Arrogance Rules" they believe they are acting for a god. It is the same mentality as a suicide bomber, however not as drastic. What does that mean to you? As many have already stated, elders of the WT do what they want with / to you.
Sorry :(
HCM
i say that because we have been trained to lie and not even give it a second thought!
we might intially call it "theocratic strategy" and we may utilize this "provision" so that the "good news" might be spread.
but more often than not, we bend the rules as we see fit, reasoning that it's not really lying, afterall!
I'll bet she grinds her teeth at night just thinking about all this deception in her life. As for her elder pussy husband, he can just kiss ass like he always does.
HCM
just for fun guys... .
if the watchtower made a most wanted list, much like the u.s.'s anti-terrorist list.
who would be the top three.
Farkel;
I must admit minimus convinced me to look at the "apostate" internet sites, I knew computers he did not. I was sure demons would come out of my monitor and get me. I guess they did however I only like the female ones.
HCM
just as a matter of curiosity i was wondering if any of you know of anybody who has read raymond franz' 'crisis of conscience' and who actually remained a jw?
i have sent and lent this book to a number of people within the wts, even a co, all of whom left eventually.
one person remained due to domestic issues, but resigned from all his duties and remains as such.
Yes I do. A person I studied with mind you! He checked it out from a local library and claims he read it. I think he just might have skimmed it, my teaching him surely has nothing to do with him staying a witness.
i described myself recently as no longer angry.. that was a lie.. i am angry at the way jehovah's witnesses treat their most precious.
endowment; their young, developing, stumbling, exasperating, questioning, experimenting, growing,.
offspring.. at the very most urgent time in their young lives; when they need the.
I caught myself before any real damage was done between me and my son. The pressure they put upon you to remain an elder can ruin any relationship with a teen. "If you don?t have control (robots) of your own household how can you teach the congregation?" was the prominent thought of the day. I saw it for what it was, destructive. If I would not guide and assist my own child in a time of need WHO ELSE WOULD? Family is important, family love bonds should not be undermined by the WT they are heartless followers of heartless, mindless leaders to make a name for their Jehovah. I want no part of it any longer.
HCM
for me, it is faith hill's, "let me let go".
any other suggestions?!
i thought it was over, baby.
Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough Lyrics -Don Henley / Patti Smith
Now I don't wanna lose you,
but I don't wanna use you
just to have somebody by my side
And I don't wanna hate you
I don't wanna take you
But I don't wanna be the one to cry
That don't really matter to anyone, anymore
But like a fool I keep losing my place
And I keep seeing you walk through that door
But there's a danger in loving somebody too much
And its sad when you know its your heart you can't trust
There's a reason why people don't stay where they are
Baby sometimes love just ain't enough
Now I could never change you
and I don't wanna blame you
Baby you don't have to take the fault
Yes I may have hurt you
But I did not desert you
Maybe I just wanna have it all
It makes a sound like thunder
It makes me feel like rain
And like a fool who will never see the truth
I keep thinking something's gonna change
But there's a danger in loving somebody too much
And its sad when you know its your heart you can't trust
There's a reason why people don't stay where they are
Baby sometimes love just ain't enough
And there's no way home
when it's late at night and you're all alone
Are there things that you wanted to say
Do you feel me beside you in your bed
there beside you where I used to lay
And there's a Danger in loving somebody too much
And it's sad when you know its your heart they can't touch.
There's a reason why people don't stay who they are
Baby sometimes love just ain't enough.
Baby sometimes love-it just ain't enough...ohh, No. No.
what a marvelous heavenly organization is revealed by this vision of jehovah?s four-wheeled celestial chariot on the move!
) that chariotlike organization was then on the move, even as it is today.
) if we are jehovah?s witnesses, we must move in the same direction as the celestial chariot.
That chariotlike organization was then on the move, even as it is today. In fact, its wheels of progress are turning faster than ever. Jehovah rides swiftly onward!
I was always bewildered by this statement. This gives the impression that the big chariot would run you over and just keep on going without looking back. Now that is very loving isn't it?
HCM
a few recent threads have been about faking hours in field service reports (for example, this one: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/72429/1.ashx).
a number of posters said they would never actually go in service, but still magically get in their hours each month.
my question to you ex-elders: did you ever confront someone on this?
Yes. An "ms" was reporting 20 hours per month consistently, He was known for extreme exaggerations on many topics and was "not visible to the friends" according to the dumb ass "po". I was assigned to speak with him with another dupe elder. We threatened him with deletion if he did not become more visible. I hated bothering people like that; I think the "ms" hated it also because he moved shortly after that. The JW religion sucks.
HCM
the watchtower, june 15, 2004 issue, pages 14-24:.
" for the benefit of current readers, the answer is reprinted on pages 29-31 of this magazine.
19 near its conclusion, the reprinted answer on pages 29-31 says: "does the fact that opinions and conscientious decisions may differ mean that the issue is inconsequential?
Furthermore, since God did not require such reactions, would it be best for Jews to send a multitude of questions to a council of Rabbis to get a ruling on each one? Though that custom developed in Judaism, we can be happy that Jehovah did not direct true worshipers to pursue decisions about blood in that way. God offered basic guidance on slaughtering clean animals and draining their blood, but he did not go beyond that. -- John 8:32.
This is extremely controlling reasoning. The WT vilifies the Rabbis constantly in their publications; they are suggesting here that rules on blood are like rules from Rabbis. Does Jehovah direct "un-true" worshipers to question the WT nonsense? They are trying to make their blood rules appear "basic" and if you don't understand them your stupid, unfaithful, and disloyal if you dear question them.
Keep it up big boys, just baffle them with (bs) many words.
HCM
hello everyone nemo here...just keep swimming, swimming, swimming.. anyway, i let my closest friend know how i felt currently about the organization and what affect it has had on me.
she has agreed to not share it with anyone, she won't, but these are the questions she possed to me.
i need to reply soon but my mind is overwhelmed with everything i have learned so i would like help formulating some answers.
Remember that illustration from a few assemblies ago about the diamond?
This is based on their assumption that the org. is of high quality.
I'm not saying you should ignore what you found, but you may want to take a step back and look at the big picture. Jehovah's organization is imperfect and constantly being refined.
Bring up some flip flops i.e.;
HCM
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