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two witness ruling ?

by KAYTEE in

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if a paedophile commits a crime against a junior there has to be, according to the watchtower two witnesses for action to be taken.. if one party of a marriage commits adultery, does there have to be the same, (two witnesses) before action is taken?.

if not........................ kt.

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verystupid77

Thank you Big Tex

Your statement here is right on.

Jesus once said "by their fruits you shall know them". Any group of people who protects a man who rapes children, and then does more damage by threatening the child, and their family, are not showing by their actions they have anything in common with a god of love. The scripture you cite merely proves my original statement that a god of love does not exist amongst that sect

Having just dealt with this myself I know for a fact that they do not care in the least for children they only protect the child molesters. And for years latter. I have seen with my own eyes child molesters hold children change dippers etc and if I say anything about it I am threatened with being df'ed. That is not love. Like Big Tex said there is no love in this sect.

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Does everyone like you?

by asilentone in

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do you have someone that dislikes you?

if you would like to share your story, i would like to see it.

thanks!

verystupid77

Most elders do not.

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Sometimes I feel like I am going crazy with the WT teachings

by verystupid77 in

i went to the meetings this week because we have the co's visit.

i have not been in about five months.

oh my god some of the stuff you just cannot make this stuff up.. ok so like many of us i feel that there have been things done that are wrong in the "truth".

verystupid77

Thanks Mrs Fiorini where you said

they never accept responsibility. Their first response to a problem, complaint, etc. is to blame the one who is pointing out the problem. A legitimate organization would want to hear about any errors in judgement, problems, etc. so they could correct them before it turned into a real issue. Instead, the WT and their representatives, whether they're elders, CO's DO's, etc. will, with few execeptions, blame the victim first. I believe this is so because it allows them to not have to question the system or threaten the power structure. It results in the people at the bottom always having to bear the brunt of the mistakes.

You could not have hit the nail on the head anymore. The CO just did this to me. He said I needed to take take responsibility for my part in being up set because child molesters were holding children. I would not do it and would not back down, he did not let up and I did not let up. He finally caved. I was so hurt and angry that they could even expect me to take any blame for it. It was interesting really I was almost yelling and he was toe to toe with me but I would not give in and he either had to back down or leave and so he did back down. I do feel good about that it was a small victory. How crazy was it this pedophile was holding children for four years in our hall and the CO responce was well he did stop. Yeh only because I finally found out he was a child molester and through a fit other wise he would still be holding children. Because of course he did not do the crime even though he was in jail.

You are so right they blamed me because I was pointing out a problem baby rapists holding children and they were mad. And you are right this is not a legitimate organization because they will not correct the problem,.

Thanks everyone for you inputs. vs77

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Mr. Flipper Talks with Bethel Legal Service Desk Rep About JW Child Abuse

by flipper in

well - i had been wanting to do this for a long time , to question a legal department representative at bethel about the child abuse settlements and jw child abuse, since last year when the news came out about it.

especially since my dad , an elder for years was never aware of it and has on his own taken steps to see that families with children are informed if a former pedophile is in their congregation.

i was curious as to what the current views and policies in place are .

verystupid77

btt

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My Assignment For Ray Franz

by sacolton in

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today i met the widow of ed dunlap, who was of the watchtower writing committee and a great thinker.

he found that the watchtower was not in harmony with the scriptures, so they disfellowshipped him.

when ray franz was disfellowshipped, it was ed who took him in and gave ray a job and a place to stay.

verystupid77

Thanks so much for what you are doing. I will send her a card at least. It just breaks my heart that someone like her who gave her life to this religion could wind up with no one truly there for her. This is such a sad religion. Thanks for letting us know about her.

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Did a householder ever "break your spirit" at the door?

by kitten whiskers in

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the thread on creepiest things at the door got me to thinking about the field service.. when i was having my initial doubts, and keeping up with "theocratic" requirements was hard (we had a new born and a two year old diagnosed with asthma which had us in the hospital several times, and only one vehicle), i had mine broken.. i can't really remember what the man said.

he was angry and took out all of his frustrations on me.

i had never been so abused before.

verystupid77

The householder no but the ones in the truth working with me yes. I have been put down so much for what and how I talk at the doors. I do not know why as I was not that bad, not that I am bragging but honestly I was no worse than they were at the door. Once I did the door step study offer when I was about 20 years old and a young wife said yes I would love to study with you. She was about my age and maybe she was wondering what JW's had to say. Anyway I was on cloud nine I was so excited to tell everyone in the car group. Only thing there was this elder in the car who said you cannot kept that study. I was like of course I can, I thought he was joking but no he was not joking. He asked the address and what the womans name was, wrote it down and said I know a sister who can study with her. You cannot do the study. I till this day do not understand what the elder had against me. He was older in his early 70's or something but he felt I was to dumb to conduct the study. That hurt me so bad and it really did break my spirit.

So many of the witnesses are so back bitting and mean. I came from the wrong side of the tracks and my parents were the lowly ones in the truth, I was never supposed to amount to anything and still do not even though I have pioneered and been to Bethel I never could do enough. I am still not worthy. I know it is strange but in the witnesses it is really is a dog eat dog world. There is no love and the only praise you get is when you get is when you can get someone to show an interest in the religion. So everyone wants to shine above the other person. It is just such a sad religion.

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Sometimes I feel like I am going crazy with the WT teachings

by verystupid77 in

i went to the meetings this week because we have the co's visit.

i have not been in about five months.

oh my god some of the stuff you just cannot make this stuff up.. ok so like many of us i feel that there have been things done that are wrong in the "truth".

verystupid77

Thanks Dacheech where you said

example: you're in a room with a 100 people, and you're the only one hearing a fly..... you start swatting around or asking others.... they look at you funny

and say "there is no fly, relax" because they've been brainwashed to ignore the flies.

That is the best example that I have heard. It is so true.

Also thanks mouthy. Thanks so much for your concern.

And Flipper, I am going to stop going after this Oh my word do they do a mind trip on you, part of it is all the other ones there just soaking it all up. I mean there was about a 100 people there are just nodding away in a brain dead state. It makes you feel so crazy. Like why am I the only one who can see this is all crap. I will try to call latter. vs77

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Have you ever made the elders get so mad at you?

by asilentone in

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verystupid77

Mad is an understatement. Hate me might be better.

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Sometimes I feel like I am going crazy with the WT teachings

by verystupid77 in

i went to the meetings this week because we have the co's visit.

i have not been in about five months.

oh my god some of the stuff you just cannot make this stuff up.. ok so like many of us i feel that there have been things done that are wrong in the "truth".

verystupid77

I went to the meetings this week because we have the CO's visit. I have not been in about five months. Oh my God some of the stuff you just cannot make this stuff up.

OK so like many of us I feel that there have been things done that are wrong in the "truth". Mostly about child abuse and how it is handled, or not handled.

OK so this last meeting the CO goes on about discipline. This is where I feel like I am going crazy. He sites Hebrews 12: 6,11. Verse 11 says "True, no discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but grievous, yet afterward to those who have been trained by it it yields peaceable fruit, namely righteousness."

OK so here is where I feel like I am going crazy. In what I can only call twisted words or double talk, it was like OK so maybe the elders do things that are not perfect and they discipline you but Jehovah is using them right? So what if you get disciplined and you feel it was unjust do you get bitter and hurt and upset. Do you let your feelings over what YOU felt unjust make you stop servicing Jehovah. Jehovah using the elders to help you ONLY because he loves you. So if they the elders offer you discipline even if you feel it is unjust or unfair Jehovah is only allowing that to happen because he loves you. So are you going to get your feelings hurt or are you going to take the discipline that Jehovah is allowing you to get and know that it came form Jehovah.

I do not know but I just feel like I am going crazy. It just does not add up. It is like it scrambles my mind and I just cannot get a clear thought to from for hours after listening to this. I am like so OK if the discipline that is given is done wrongly, given in anger. If we are say disfellowshipped unjustly we still need to accept it because Jehovah has allowed it and Jehovah wants us to learn from it because Jehovah see a weakness in us.

OK am I not getting something here. I just feel like I am going crazy.

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How many of you have seen situations where the ELDERS DISAGREED?

by BonaFide in

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i have spent literally hundreds of hours discussing with the c.o.

or other elders how some of us elders disagreed with a certain elders' actions and what could be done about it.

or that a certain elder was doing a certain thing, or acting a certain way.

verystupid77

Even though I am not an elder as an elders wife I have had other elders come and complain to me about my husband and how they do not like him and what he is doing is wrong and how they are so right. What the heck do they think they are doing like I am going to side with them? Totally crazy.