Posts by truthlover

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Did you ever feel let down by the Bethel tour?

by maninthemiddle in

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reading jeff's thread about dress made me think of my one and only trip to bethel.. i can't remember if i was babtised at the time, but i went with a bus load of jws.. like someone said in the last thread, printing presses and empty rooms.

i was very disapointed, however i don't think i had any pre-concieved notions of what it would be like.

what i was diapointed in was so much of the "tour" was walking hallways looking at exhibits behind glass.

truthlover

went on a bus tour with a gaggle of cong. members -- must say --best time for a long while - lot of jokes -- lot of laughs -- then we hit Brooklyn -- a warehouse -- nothing to see but hot, muggy cement walls and floors -- some in book binding.. walked over to a restaurant across the park for lunch -- then off to Stanley --- what a gorgeous building -- actually ostentacious -- that place is worth millions -- it should be sold and given to those in the cong who need to eat, let alone pay bills -- there is no need for this..... no org on earth should be allowed to have these types of buildings -- only Solomon in his glory when God was speaking thru the prophets should this have been allowed... but no .... hard work of volunteers carried out the big changeover to a visiting / assembly area - the auditorium alone boasts a ceiling that changes from day to night with stars, etc. plush seats that most halls dont have for comfort.... chandeliers that you would die for, brass entry doors, polished to gleam.

water fountain downstairs -- found a 16th century french rug in the basement and restored it -- priceless...how much will that go for or where will it end up???In a GB apartment?? I believe Stanley is no longer on the tour menu..could be wrong....

Then the next day off to Walkill --- beautiful grounds with orchards -- no more farm there -- you can see where the money goes -- we got there at lunch time but were not invited.. saw a lot of the pictures in the mags on the walls, fountains and chandeliers.... mock up of Solomons temple as you enter the huge foyer... took a tour, nice

After being in NYC and the seaport and chinatown and a broadway show and some good eating - time to get back home...

returned home in same fashion --- laughing so hard -- so in all good memories of the folks - altho I have heard of horror stories on most bus tours...

Dont know what is going on there now - that ws about 7 years ago

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Menfolk....what should I cook?

by yknot in

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pretend your wife/girlfriend/domestic partner/personal chef.......came to you wanting to cook nothing but your favorites!.

what would those favorites be?.

don't hold back.....suggest any appetizer, salad, soup, entree, side, dessert......anything and everything is appreciated!.

truthlover

Simple meal -- pan fry chicken breasts in chicken broth, , add onion, pepper -then salsa -depends on your heat level -I use medium, then add some maple syrup or honey, turn on med to low, cook til mix reduces to a gravy mixture...

Have some brown rice cooked using chicken broth, some pineapple juice and crushed pineapple and green onions... pour chicken mix over rice --serve hot ---and serve with side salad and white wine -- dessert, something simple -- cheesecake with raspberry sauce

Yummy!

TL

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After Reinstatement

by truthlover in

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can any current elders, ms, etc.

tell me if restrictions are given when a person is re instated since 2005??

i ask this as i am reading the requirements for re instatement -- it says a person has to prove they want to be reinstated and have to attend meetings for a year or more before the elders would even accept the letter request for re instatement..... .

truthlover

Yes Gayle you are right there -- but I

started the clapping and the rest of the cong followed up on it -- later it was mentioned by a sister that we dont do that anymore, do we? I said I didnt care -- and later the elders didnt say a word -- am I different??

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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"

by freetosee in

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i find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".

he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!

he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .

truthlover

Leolaia:

I read the Book Angels and Women and like you found it really interesting -- couldnt put it down, its on the I-net and I downloaded it to finish it..

Have u completed your anaylsis as yet?

TL

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Which gender is most likely to leave the JW's?

by highdose in

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men or women?

which do you think is most likely to wake up and leave?.

truthlover

Men

Definitely -- but some of the single gals arent opting for pioneer status and need a man - there isnt any in the cong unless old - any single guys are in a field of dreams with the women vying for his attentions, that leaves more women than men - and women want a home and nest -- Jehovah instilled it and they will get it by hook or crook and then return to the fold

TL

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After Reinstatement

by truthlover in

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can any current elders, ms, etc.

tell me if restrictions are given when a person is re instated since 2005??

i ask this as i am reading the requirements for re instatement -- it says a person has to prove they want to be reinstated and have to attend meetings for a year or more before the elders would even accept the letter request for re instatement..... .

truthlover

Blondie:

Wish that would happen in this case, its been a bad experience for the person from day one -- if they keep it up there will be one missing in months to come I will bet you $5 on that

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After Reinstatement

by truthlover in

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friends

can any current elders, ms, etc.

tell me if restrictions are given when a person is re instated since 2005??

i ask this as i am reading the requirements for re instatement -- it says a person has to prove they want to be reinstated and have to attend meetings for a year or more before the elders would even accept the letter request for re instatement..... .

truthlover

SITT:

Nothing new thats why I am asking - if something got by me, as u can se from my reply to Bob, it looks like slacking is indeed going on..

Thanks for the info Soldier77 and SITT..... appreciate it....

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After Reinstatement

by truthlover in

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friends

can any current elders, ms, etc.

tell me if restrictions are given when a person is re instated since 2005??

i ask this as i am reading the requirements for re instatement -- it says a person has to prove they want to be reinstated and have to attend meetings for a year or more before the elders would even accept the letter request for re instatement..... .

truthlover

Bob--

The JC was not in the same territory - so would the cong they are currently in have placed the restriction or the original JC in another cong?

reinstatement was 6 mos ago-- nothing done at that time other than no comments or MS.. then 5 mos later wants a book study conducted -

seems that there is a run around going on and that person is getting very discouraged as they are going in FS and attending all meetings, etc.

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After Reinstatement

by truthlover in

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friends

can any current elders, ms, etc.

tell me if restrictions are given when a person is re instated since 2005??

i ask this as i am reading the requirements for re instatement -- it says a person has to prove they want to be reinstated and have to attend meetings for a year or more before the elders would even accept the letter request for re instatement..... .

truthlover

Can any current elders, ms, etc. tell me if restrictions are given when a person is re instated since 2005?? I ask this as I am reading the requirements for re instatement -- it says a person has to prove they WANT to be reinstated and have to attend meetings for a year or more before the elders would even accept the letter request for re instatement.....

Then when re instated, and the person is genuinely repentant, the 1989 OM book says there is an announcement made of the reinstatement and at the same time there would be mention of any restrictions that apply until the person has regained "a measure of spiritual strength"....

NOW: in the 2005 Organized to do Jehovahs Will book -- it says on page 157 that only the announcement is made of the reinstatement, no restrictions issue is mentioned.. so if a person who was out of the truth for 6 years -raised in it-- - attended meetings faithfully for over a year, and stayed separate even from parents until reinstated --should there be restrictions given since service and meeting attendance, etc. is all up to par since reinstatement - moreso that some of the cong numbers???? Change of requirements for re instatement?? I ask as this person has had to have a study, that will take about another 6 mos to a year to get thru. and it doesnt seem correct.. can anyone help..just need the facts pls..

Thanks

TL

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Is the Tide Turning For the Watchtower Organization? What Do You Think?

by mentallyfree31 in

i would like some thoughts on this issue.

as we well know the wts has been going strong for 130 years.

and they are still making large increases.

truthlover

Yes they are still pushing 1914 -- and yes science has found that there is an inbred need to worship ---- something---- so be it wrongful worship or sideways worship - its still some kind of worship... I think that's what keeps most in the truth because - "there is no better place to go"... so no one worries about anything changing as long as they keep their "faith" - to lose their faith is very demoralizing, to know you have given your life to something untrue - I know a lot have done it but it seems more don't want to do it -- leave that is--- until they really get a slap in the face, then maybe...........

Skewing numbers can be a big issue as well - I know in this part of the woods people are not disfellowshipped as much as they were, that in inself would keep numbers up as the elders are negligent or slow to act on an issue, hence, no drop in those who are inactive, immoral or deliquent in their service duties..no doubt, as the KM has stopped reporting numbers and only gives a highlight of a service month, so too, the annual numbers will have to cease being published, then any number crunch will be accepted without question cause no one but the elite will know what is actually going on... wonder they havent done that yet..

TL