Posts by truthlover

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'Great Crowd' of 12 people get baptised at District Convention!!!

by burnedout in

yesterday, out of 4,035 people in attendance at the dc, only 12 people were baptized.

that is one more than eleventeen and one less than a baker's dozen.. .

want to take a guess as to the age group of this 'great crowd?

truthlover

Canada:

The DA --2800 in attendance -- 14 baptized, 2 from d2d witnessing..

The CA had 1 baptized this year and I do think it is because they are pushing singleness (due to lack of men) and of course, pioneering... for the sisters, and young couples may have one child, very seldom do you see a large family anymore.....

If you take a look waaay back, worldwide baptisms have not gone over the 300,00 mark (I think I remember that), even though the aver pubs keep going up -- so from 5 mill to 7 mill - new ones never increase in the baptismal number, wouldn't it follow that as aver pub numbers go up so should baptismal numbers.. ?? You would think that more in the field === more being baptized..... AND, aver pub from year prev added to new baptized ones NEVER add up -there is always 100,00 or so missing...

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'Great Crowd' of 12 people get baptised at District Convention!!!

by burnedout in

yesterday, out of 4,035 people in attendance at the dc, only 12 people were baptized.

that is one more than eleventeen and one less than a baker's dozen.. .

want to take a guess as to the age group of this 'great crowd?

truthlover

That should be 100,000 thousand

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A few notes on September 15, 2011 Watchtower, fresh off the presses!

by sd-7 in

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september 15th, 2011 watchtower, page 28, paragraph 13:.

"if a human overseer in god's organization provides you with instructions that seem extremely detailed, you might at times feel frustrated.

jehovah, however, is a perfect overseer who delegates generously and trusts his servants.

truthlover

A slight of the hand trick... again and again.... no one will pick up these references... I have sat in so many meetings where I have studied the lesson and made note of what should be commented on as a very important point and it's not even mentioned.. they read from the paragraph now, no thought, no insight, just parroting the words.. once in a while an ex elder or person on disability who has time to research will give a deep though provoking answer and it is so refreshing... otherwise, your talking to the choir -- no real personal perspectives anymore -if you do you are pointed out as being" something wrong with their comments"!!

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Australia: Victorian Child Protection Inquiry Hears Evidence Against Watch Tower Society

by AndersonsInfo in

the following information was taken from steven unthank's facebook page:.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/jw-news/news-release-victorian-child-protection-inquiry-hears-evidence-against-watch-tow/208372889198519.

news release: victorian child protection inquiry hears evidence against watch tower society .

truthlover

Why is this authorized to the media by jwnews.net? Are they allowing this type of inflammatory information to get to the public now? Wouldn't they think the ones at the door would tell the pubs to get off the doorstep....

I am pleased this is happening.... no longer should they be able to hide this disgusting practise of allowing those they know to be perverts to go d2d, there should be severe restrictions on anyone, male or female, who has committed crimes against children.. only God can judge these ones in the next life, this life must be protected against sexual pedos- just because they did not speak of it in the bible should not be viewed as of no consequence... and the two/three witness application is a terrible misuse of God's intention in a crime such as this... maybe if it happened to elder's children or ms's children there would be something done about it........

It's all swept under the rug, like everything else, no one mentions it anymore..there has to be more visibility, more news releases, why won't someone go straight to trial and not be paid off and sign a confidentiality clause to keep it under wraps???

It is so frustrating.. it seems like the congregations are settled down to believing the apostates and news media are in cahoots, trying to destroy WTBT$...everything is ignored..... something has to happen to bring the pubs to their senses..

A law should be passed to have everyone who mentors children in any format has to have a criminal records check and never be alone with a child, whether or not having a criminal past....

that goes for daycare, bible schools, JC's, scouts, girl guides, bible students studies.. etc.. if they know they won't pass the check, it may cut down on abuse

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An explanation for the increase in anointed

by pirata in

remember, if you see this in the watchtower, or hear it in a talk, you heard it here first .

evidently, since we are so close to end of this system of things, god has seen it fitting to fill the final spots held open for the 144,000.. there.

simple, elegant, and doesn't require an overhaul of the 144,000 jw belief..

truthlover

If GB2 is saying that some may be mentally ill, doesn't that call into question their mental status?? or some of them?? I think I would be careful of what is being said - pot calling the kettle black.. after all, they are all "new" to the position up there and some just came in a few years ago, who is to say what pecularities they are imparting to the writing committee??

Anyway - not just anyone is supposed to partake - the elders should know their flock-- I personally have seen one's partake but was told they were not counted as there were issues - now if all elders are doing the same, it seems like only those in the congregation, known to be "spiritual" would be the ones partaking.... but the number keeps rising.. the talk on apostates yesterday said that the ones who were apostate were among "us" and were divisive in nature -drawing unspecting ones away..however, then the talk switched to those who wanted to be elders - what was their conviction? were they prideful? Intent on causing division-- hence apostate??? Little off topic but it all fell together in the apostate talk..

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Canadian Privacy Act

by truthlover in

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friends

while looking at the data protection act in the uk, it jogged my memory to our own privacy act legislation.

i do not know it in full but my questions would be: can the society really keep records on the pubs in canada now?

is that breaking the law?

truthlover

In Canada, you have to sign a release if you go to a dentist or doctor,etc... I suppose if I go to the government web site I could find more, I just didn't know if someone knew right away without me going thru all the legalities.. several years ago the elders did have to deal with the Privacy Act for a sister in the hospital...

Thanks JW

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Mobs In India Attack Jehovahs Witnesses With Impunity

by Bangalore in

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mobs in india attack jehovah's witnesses with impunity.. http://devon-www.blogspot.com/2011/06/mobs-in-india-attack-jehovahs-witnesses.html.

bangalore.

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truthlover

Last year I spoke with an Indian sister who was visiting and I asked her what the situation was in India for the preaching work.. she shook her heard said it was very dangerous in the Southern part...

I do know that if you go to Forum 18 you will see quite a few christian denominations are being attacked with impunity there and around the world..there are roving gangs who want christian religious beliefs gone from India.

Also in a lot of countries, state controlled, even the muslims are being put in prison, along with Ba'hai, Baptist, etc.

TL

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Canadian Privacy Act

by truthlover in

jw
friends

while looking at the data protection act in the uk, it jogged my memory to our own privacy act legislation.

i do not know it in full but my questions would be: can the society really keep records on the pubs in canada now?

is that breaking the law?

truthlover

While looking at the Data Protection Act in the UK, it jogged my memory to our own Privacy Act legislation. I do not know it in full but my questions would be: Can the society really keep records on the pubs in Canada now? Is that breaking the law? and Can they discuss any matter relating to pubs at their own JC meetings? passing on this personal information to Bethel?

I have never signed a pub card..

Is there anyone on the board who knows about any of this? Are the elders breaking the law?

Thanks
TL

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Are JW EX elders in need of our contempt or sympathy ?

by eruption in

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point 1. not so long i would have strung them all up and hanged them.. point 2. these guys were the real succers, not only did they become jw,s, they embraced and adopted the cults teachings, and to some extent subjugated thier familys happiness, and thier own,to elevate themselves, and achieve status and recieve privellages, ie not have a f-----g life.

point 3 they had the onerus task of making sense, of the ever changing (truths) and having to teach that crap to the rest of us, and cope with the subsequent questionings that would invariably follow.. point 4.they had to take the lead in (sales) distributing literature.

point 5.they were the authoritarian face of the society, and a lot of people, (myself included ) thought they were jumped up janitors and window cleaners with a chip on thier shoulders.

truthlover

I believe a little of both if they are honest hearted, contempt-- which is a strong word unless they are reall a$$e$.. - maybe just desserts would be appropriate--- because they may have destroyed lives while in service to the congregation but sympathy because they have lost their faith and their lives due to the overbearing remaining good standing elders who can pounce on them and harrass them - driving them out of the hall - and all because they may have asked a question that others can perceive as being wrong thinking or leaning towards apostasy.

I know of one elder who has stepped down from the RBC and said he would never go back... another who has been on the hit list by elders in his congregation because he has a heart - even his friend - the PO or CoBoE would not stand up for him while 2 others blindsided him at all meetings - both have re thought their positions and are ready to step down and even talk of leaving the truth as they don't feel it is the truth any longer... some still go through hell just to remain a witness because somewhere they still believe ....knowing what their life would be without the cong and in a lot of instances, their families...

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"Overlapping generation" explanation - TRANSCRIBED EXTRACT from Friday's talk (DC 2011-12)

by AnnOMaly in

i thought this would be easier to examine if written down:.

god's kingdom will soon come.

so we know that god's kingdom will soon come.. .

truthlover

Donny:

where can I find the info about 1874...

and where they recognized Jesus came in 1914 - that it wasn't recognized until the early 1940's??

Thanks