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  Do you want your publisher cards? Do you need a congregation "secretary" to request them? I can do it

  by BonaFide in

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  i think someone else mentioned this before, but i am interested in providing some practical help to those on this board.

  many of you have helped me, and i see a lot of good will on here.. some here seem to need to move to another congregation to "fade.

  " or they might be in a judicial situation.. can i help?

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  I didnt get your PM
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  Do you want your publisher cards? Do you need a congregation "secretary" to request them? I can do it

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
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  i think someone else mentioned this before, but i am interested in providing some practical help to those on this board.

  many of you have helped me, and i see a lot of good will on here.. some here seem to need to move to another congregation to "fade.

  " or they might be in a judicial situation.. can i help?

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  BonaFide

  I doubt they would find out, unless they could figure out who my phone number belongs to. My name is not on my message, and I would use another name. Unless they waited around my P.O. Box. It looks like a street address, but it is a P.O. Box.

  I think I could deny it, unless someone taped my voice perhaps.

  Good question, though. I would have to be really careful.

  BF
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  How would you respond to a Witness calling worldly people "wicked?"

  by BonaFide in

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  this morning in the field ministry a brother in our car group was talking about wicked people.

  i asked him what he thinks of when he says "wicked people.

  " (i am working undercover) he said, "those that don't worship jehovah.".

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  This morning in the field ministry a brother in our car group was talking about wicked people. I asked him what he thinks of when he says "wicked people." (I am working undercover) He said, "Those that don't worship Jehovah."

  So I said, "But, what are they doing that is wicked?" He said, "Well for example, at my office, in my section, there are six people. All of them are living together without being married. I am the only one that is not fornicating. That's wicked."

  How would you respond to that? Without openly trashing the Organization?

  BF
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  Do you want your publisher cards? Do you need a congregation "secretary" to request them? I can do it

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think someone else mentioned this before, but i am interested in providing some practical help to those on this board.

  many of you have helped me, and i see a lot of good will on here.. some here seem to need to move to another congregation to "fade.

  " or they might be in a judicial situation.. can i help?

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  BonaFide

  I think someone else mentioned this before, but I am interested in providing some practical help to those on this board. Many of you have helped me, and I see a lot of good will on here.

  Some here seem to need to move to another congregation to "fade." Or they might be in a judicial situation.

  Can I help? Do you need someone to pretend to be the Congregation Secretary to request your publisher cards? Or to pretend that we are having a judicial meeting with you?

  I was raised in the truth, and I am an active Witness. So I know the terminology inside and out. And I know how to talk on the phone to elders, circuit overseers, even Bethel. I speak Spanish fluently, if needed. There is a special way of conversing, a "casual importance" way of talking that is very convincing. You would have to be a Witness for a long time to be able to do this effectively.

  The idea is, if you want to fade, and say you are moving, give them my number. I will give a name of a congregation in my area. I live in a large metropolitan area. I can talk about procedures, I know them all. I know how to pretend that we are forming a judicial committee, becuase I have done it so many times. I can talk to you first to find out your information, so that we are on the same page, and the elders think that I know you. I can say you are moving here to work, that we are forming a committee and I will let them know the results, or just that we need your card, whatever you want.

  Many of you have helped me, I want to help too. Let me know if anyone wants to do this and I will give my number via PM. I think several of us that were or are elders can even get together and make up entire bodies of elders.

  I know, some of you don't care about not being disfellowshipped, but some of you do. Or you have other reasons.

  Let's use our brains and skills, and outsmart those that can harm our families and relationships.

  BF

  Plus I have a P.O. Box that looks like a street address.
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  Mr. Flipper Talks with Bethel Legal Service Desk Rep About JW Child Abuse

  by flipper in

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  2. child-abuse

  well - i had been wanting to do this for a long time , to question a legal department representative at bethel about the child abuse settlements and jw child abuse, since last year when the news came out about it.

  especially since my dad , an elder for years was never aware of it and has on his own taken steps to see that families with children are informed if a former pedophile is in their congregation.

  i was curious as to what the current views and policies in place are .

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  Great job Mr. Flipper. I am so shocked at the ridiculous answers of the brother in the Legal Department. I really thought they would come up with better stuff. No wonder they are quiet about everything.

  BF
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  Do the demons exist - or not?

  by BonaFide in

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  when i was a missionary and in the circuit work, i sometimes stayed in the friends' homes.

  once i stayed in a bible's students house with his family.

  they gave me a corner room down a long hallway.

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  I didn't believe that demons could do anything like that. I wasnt scared or nervous. I just tried to ignore it. But when stuff started to fly off the shelves again and again?

  My sister NEVER believed that stuff, she said it was nonsense. Until that clear voice came out of the bag.

  Neither did that brother from New York. Until he went into his Grandma's house and couldnt get back out.

  What gives?

  BF
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  Do the demons exist - or not?

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
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  when i was a missionary and in the circuit work, i sometimes stayed in the friends' homes.

  once i stayed in a bible's students house with his family.

  they gave me a corner room down a long hallway.

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  When I was a missionary and in the circuit work, I sometimes stayed in the friends' homes. Once I stayed in a Bible's students house with his family. They gave me a corner room down a long hallway. The previous sister that rented that room had left "because of demons." I laughed at them. But that night as I sat reading, stuff kept on falling off the shelves. Not once or twice, but like 5 or 6 times. The last time, a little cup came off the shelf and landed right on my book, three feet away from the wall. And then someone knocked loudly on the door three times. When I opened it, there was no one there. The long hallway was dark, and no one could have knocked and run away that fast. I went down the hallway anyway, and woke up the family. They apologized for the demon activity.

  On another occasion in my assignment, a brother came to visit. His grandmother, who lived in that country, had died. So he came down to arrange her affairs, including her house. She wasn't a Witness. He told me that the local brothers had said that her house was "demonized." He thought it was silly that the local brothers believed those "demon stories." When he came back the next day to say goodbye, he looked completely different. He told me that he had gone with another brother to the house, and once they got inside, they couldnt get out. Some "force" was holding them inside. He said he thought he was going to die. He couldn't move. Other brothers were able to pull them out somehow. He couldnt leave the country fast enough. He was completely freaked out.

  When I was a teenager, my brother moved to another apartment, and I helped him. There was a mask, a weird mask that had been left in the vacant apartment. So my brother said it looked demonized. My sister laughed at him and they threw in in a big garbage bag in the corner. My brother said, "Is that mask demonized?" and my sister said, "Don't worry, THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT MASK IS DEMONIZED." Just then a loud voice came out of the bag, clear as day. It said, "GUESS AGAIN."

  I was outside, and they both came running out of the apartment. To this day, my sister refuses to talk about it.

  So, what you say? How do I account for seemingly normal people experiencing this stuff?

  BF
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  My Father has just past away

  by caliber in

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  yes my father has passed on sunday.... all my family brothers, sister, in-laws are jws .

  it is occasions like this that.

  make me see why i and countless others are just faders .. not taking that bold step of disassociation .

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  Sorry to hear about your father. My father passed away in December. So many people on this board were very kind.

  But some in my congregation also came over to my house, and brought food and hugs. It was very comforting, so I know what you mean.

  BF
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  Do you think your JW family REALLY hates you? Or do they THINK they love you?

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
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  i am referring to some of us that have had bad experiences with our jw family and friends.

  even those of us that are "active" but we have expressed certain things about the organization.. do you really feel your witness family hates you?

  or does your family think they are being loving to you by doing things "jehovah's way?".

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  St. Ann, I am sorry your family treats you bad. I feel gross when my family does that to me. But when I believed it all, I used to shun, and limit my association with some. I treated my brother in a sort of condescending way, I really thought he was out of his mind because he left "the truth" and I tried to make him see it before he died at Armageddon. I apologized to him awhile back, and we talk a lot now.

  Your family, if they are active, goes to the meetings where they talk about love and mercy, helping others. Seems like some of that would get through to them. If they go in service, I would think they would be trying to help worldly people.

  Of course, you know your family. I hope you are dealing with it ok.

  Its tough sometimes for me.

  BF
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  Do you think your JW family REALLY hates you? Or do they THINK they love you?

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am referring to some of us that have had bad experiences with our jw family and friends.

  even those of us that are "active" but we have expressed certain things about the organization.. do you really feel your witness family hates you?

  or does your family think they are being loving to you by doing things "jehovah's way?".

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  BonaFide

  I am referring to some of us that have had bad experiences with our JW family and friends. Even those of us that are "active" but we have expressed certain things about the Organization.

  Do you really feel your Witness family HATES you? Or does your family THINK they are being LOVING to you by doing things "Jehovah's way?"

  My family and friends think everything they do is based on love. They are so sincere, they spend their entire life supporting "Jehovah's Organization." They give their time, their energy, their soul to the Organization. They feel that when someone is disfellowshipped, the LOVING thing is not to greet them. They don't want them to die at Armageddon. They really feel that birthdays are very wicked, and so is Christmas. They don't think about the door-to-door work being ineffective. They feel they are being obedient to Jehovah and that's it. Some have sort of avoided me because of comments I have made in the past about the Organization. They think thats the right thing to do, for me, and for them.

  About a year ago I made a comment to someone in my family about how there needs to be more articles in the Awake about precautions about pedophiles. Her reply? "We shouldn't question Jehovah. He knows what we need and when." SHE THINKS THE WT AND AWAKE COME DIRECTLY FROM JEHOVAH GOD. However, she also cries and cries when she sees a TV report about a child that was molested or abused. She cares, she really cares, but she believes the Organization is Jehovah's way of doing things.

  I used to feel that way also. I believed that true unity was only found in the Organization. I was the chairman on committee meetings, and I really felt I was helping people. I didnt talk to disfellowshipped people. I didnt enjoy it, but I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THEIR EVERLASTING BENEFIT.

  So, do you think your Witness famiily is purposely being hateful? Or do THEY THINK they are really being loving and helping you?

  What you say?

  BF