It explained more about what unevenly yoked was about. Again, it proved the watchtower wrong. I did a search on here, but could not find it. : ( If anyone knows of something that fits this description, can you please send it my way?
Thank you!
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Looking for an article(positive toward JW's) that someone posted about unevenly yoked about 5 months ago???
by Trying2understand init explained more about what unevenly yoked was about.
again, it proved the watchtower wrong.
i did a search on here, but could not find it.
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Growing up in a religion of hate
by is there help out there inhas any one read any one of this mans articals.
if you had you would realize wt is even more screwed up that i thought.
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Bookmarked! Thank you!
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The 7 Most Important Things You Could Possibly Learn About Life.. Right Now
by Trying2understand inthe raw, the heard to face facts of life: you were born to be happy, you were born a miracle and still are that miracle!
x. you can do anything you put your mind to .
2. when "bad" people don't like you... that's good!
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Trying2understand
I came across this doing research. It's long, but it really makes a lot of sense. I did come across quite a few typos(words that were used and etc), but still worth reading. I corrected some. The person only meant good. I also don't know what they meant by 7?
Have a great day everyone......
THE RAW, THE HEARD TO FACE FACTS OF LIFE: YOU WERE BORN TO BE HAPPY, YOU WERE BORN A MIRACLE AND STILL ARE THAT MIRACLE!
"If You were born a miracle... Then you still ARE that miracle!"
.: RBA
"Love is the ultimate common ground"
.: RBA
"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll end up amongst the stars."
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" "A path is formed by walking on it."
--?? ... You are whatever you are. Just because you are something now, doesn't mean you can't be something different, or it's wrong to be something or someone different. The natural you is whomever you want to be, even if that's a new you that's taking baby steps to becoming."You do not serve god by playing small"
Marianne Williamson, often miscredited to Nelson Mandela
x. You can do anything you put your mind to
And so can kids.
In fact, even though I was abused as much as any child could be, my grandmother saved me by repeating the above manta "You can do anything you put your mind to, you can do anything you put your mind to"
And eventually, I did do anything and EVERYTHING I put my mind to.
She was right
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't... you're right!"- Ford?
Remember, to give young children under 7 or 8 or so blind encouragement.
The time to mold them is a little later on, after 10.
Under 7, you are programming their drive. They lust for life.
x. You were a born star, nothing less, and maybe a lot more
I can tell you this, though...
you weren't a born salesman
a born pessimist
a porn piano player
or anything else remotely like that.
I've failed to meet even one child playing a piano or selling insurance right after emerging from the womb.
The fact is, you're more like beautiful silly putty.
You are imagination put into flesh.
You are capability.
You're really something amazing, kid.
You're just not anything SPECIFIC.
Specifics come from... well... you'll see
David Eckstein wasn't supposed to be the baseball player he was. Doesn't fit the profile. Yet he does.
x. Reality comes from make believe
And when you stop pretending to be different people, you ended up being the last person you pretended to be!
All realities start with imagination. Start with make believe.
Make believe becomes real when you stop changing your mind as to what to make believe.
Make believe + time ... make beliefs real1. You were born to be happy
Nobody was born to feel bad.
If you think that, it's NOT your thought. Someone passed it onto you. That someone lied. They're confused.
"Don't worry, be happy"
Take Bobby McFarland's worth as gospel...
2. When "bad" people don't like you... that's good! (learning to embrace rejection)
3. Everything starts beautiful. Ugly is beauty all bent out of shape.
4. You were a miracle, and you still are that miracle!
"every man and woman is a star"
5. You are the god of your own life
I'm not being religious here, not trying to, anyway.
Nor am I saying anything different than what your religion says (or doesn't.)
Even Christianity says this, by stating that god created you in his image. And thus, who are you, but a god in human form?
It doesn't mean you're THE god, or the president of the spiritual country. All it means is that you, in your life, have tremendous power to affect your life...f or better or worse.
6. There's an infinite amount of everything good
And even if in some scientific way, there isn't, it doesn't matter.
Fact is, we make more and more good with the belief that there can be more.
For all practical intents and purposes, it's true. There's infinite good, for you, for me, and everyone.
Good is like air. So abundant, we don't even notice...
it's the rare, the evil, that gets noticed.
It's useful to notice that which is out of place, so we can fix it. So we can stomp out the evil, and make the good even better.
This is a noble cause. It's good that we notice that few things that are out of place, those things which are not "good".
But never let the awareness of that which isn't good that trick you into thinking that 99 or even 999 good things don't happen for each "bad" thing.
It does.
More good things happen to you and everyone each day, otherwise the world would be crumbling into chaos.
And it's not, except in war torn areas.
And even things get better in those places. People get sick of fighting, they get burnt out on feeling bad, and lust to live life again... and then good reigns once more.
Summary: Cheer up. There's good all around! :-)
7. Let others have their cake, and you can have yours, too
The biggest mistake you can make is trying to feel better by making others feel small.
I've seen politicians do this. They feel elite, like 'kings', because others are peasants.
When you do that, you are poor.
It doesn't matter what riches the president or modern kings have. By keeping people down, they live in a much less interesting world than they could. They are harming themselves as they harm others.
Avoid falling prey to this.
Give others their freedom.
Rejoice when they make money, make money, or have fun.
Smile at their kids, and be happy that they're happy.
When you do this, you are allowing yourself to be prosperous and happy, too.
And a bonus:
8. Be grateful for what you have, and in just a moment... whether you want it or not... you'll have more! Poof
When you stop to appreciate what you have now, in just a moment... you'll find yourself with more.
It doesn't matter if you don't have anything to appreciate. You, in fact, DO.
9. Love and GOOD is all around, the world is made of it... even if you don't see it
You don't see air.
You don't see the lens on your eye.
But it's here
it's there
it's everywhere
There is INFINITE good.
Just because you take it for granted, doesn't mean the world isn't good.
You've been taking things for granted so long, fact is, I bet you've even taken granted for granted.
10. Love is the ultimate common ground
Life is the ultimate common ground
I can't decide which one it is.
We can truly get along with anybody and everybody.
We are genetically 99% the same. The last 1% makes the differences that we all appreciate...
or I hope we do.
For it is our difference that makes us interesting and attractive.
I bet if you met your clone, you wouldn't appreciate them.
11. Today's superficial children is a good thing
Would you rather see kids in a mall, spending recklessly, or in a war torn nation, killing recklessly?
There's something better to worry about.
I'll tell you what it is.
It has a single name.
It is called
Nothing.
12. Hope heals and fear kills
13. Force is the root of all evil
It's not money. In fact, that's stupid. Money is just a snapshot time and energy. It allows our labor to be transferred. Big deal.
You can add force to any equation to create evil.
Add force to sex, it is evil
Add force to tooth-floss, it'd be evil, too
Force is at the root of all real crime. When judges learn this, they'll be able to make decisions faster. "Was there force involved?" If there was consent, the question is no, not even where someone dies. How can there be a murder, if they asked Dr. Kevorkian to do it?
14. Power doesn't corrupt absolutely, it's the power to force that corrupts absolutely
Think about it. It's all the positions of power, whereby you're given unethical powers to force people and it's OK, that people fall
Earned power, ethical power, is the power to convenience and influence.
Nobody has the right to force, except when forced. That is the only time.
Force is only "justified" to stop people or things that have enacted force against you.
It's
The power to force... and get away with it.
That is the downfall of society, all society's past, future, present. Of this world, and any others.
15. Life is too long and too short for anything other than excess ecstasy
16. The ultimate thing you can give to anybody is their freedom
Temporarily, you may need to give a hand... give a fish... give money...
Temporarily
Ultimately, the most you can give someone is the ability to use their own life.
To earn on their own... to catch their own fish... to make their own money...
People's greatest joy comes from their own creation. That is how self-esteem is earned.
You cannot give someone self-esteem, you can only point the way.
You can take self-esteem away.
Make someone dependent, and you have killed them.
Eventually, it'll get back to you.
Set someone free, and they'll often stick around...
... because they LIKE you!
17. When is something good or bad? When selfishness isn't selfish
I once heard the definition that what is good, is good for you.
That's not too bad.
What I like more is that good things tend to be
Good for you, and
Good for others
A plus sum game.
When you give to charity, for instance, it's good for you.. you get to feel good about yourself, even receive some recognition from peers or want to be peers. You also help someone.
If you're helping someone, and it's not helping you... I will tell you now: you're probably not helping them, whether you know it or not.
If you do a "close investigation" of circumstances whereby just one party wins, you'll see that rarely, if ever, does either side end up with anything of value.
For instance, take welfare. You think it helps people. In fact, in the short term, it may...
but someone who is dependent long-term, is dead long term.
I've never been around a long term welfare recipient who didn't curse and in fact, bite, the hand that feeds them.
18. Sometimes a people vacation is necessary for you to change
Everyone expects us to be who we are -- all of the good and bad we are.
It's easy to get sucked up and be the same person around them, no matter how hard we try to change.
I'd recommend a vacation from all the generally good and best people in your life.
And I'd recommend a permanent RETIREMENT from those not so good people in your life, people who bring you down.
Yo don't need 'em.
There's over 7 billion people on this planet.
19. People give whatever they have.
20. Make room to get more
Dump your crappiest friends.
It will a) help them, and b) help you.
Rejection is a gift. Leave them, and they have the best motivation AND opportunity to change.
The motivation, because hey... a decent person left. Time for them to do SOMETHING.
The OPPORTUNITY, because you won't be around to keep them as they were. As well meaning as we are, we sometimes keep people stuck as the crappy people we are, through our unconscious understanding of their history and our expectations.
For you, you'll now have an opening. For a new friend.
There's 7 billion people on this planet. Could there be someone more exciting that one of your dumpiest friends?
I GUARANTEE you that there is.
And I also guarantee that you won't meet or have time for them if you're filling your time with time wasters and losers.
The time wasters and losers were once miracles, too, and in fact, still are... by rejecting them you give them the opportunity to show it
21. You are awesome, mighty and powerful
You do not serve god by playing small quote
With NLP, people have been able to install extreme amounts of confidence. There has been a problem with this.
Be aware confidence without any shred of competence isn't good, either. Richard Bandler, creator of NLP, calls this 'confidence without competence'.
Water is a good, beneficial, life giving substance
Too much, and you're done.
With everything, must come balance.
Yes, you are all valuable and powerful... The point is you must act it, not just believe it.
And remember... everyone else is all important and powerful, as well.
Be kind to others. You are amongst kings and queens, prince and princesses, gods and goddesses.
Have respect for yourself, and treat others with the same respect, and even reverence.
Life is remarkable.
Including your life.
And the lives of others.
22. Credit
Credit is extenidng to what you do not already have... yet.
In hopes, or better, knowing, that you will be to repay.
With interest.
Sometimes giving a criminal credit, extending to them some humanity, some glimpse that they are good, honest people...
is exactly what they need to become a good, honest person.
Yes, if they bite back you can't continue.
But if you treat them as a criminal forever, they will tend to remain one.
It's tricky dealing with people in trouble.
Sometimes credit helps a lot. Overextending credit, though, can hurt more than ever.
That's when the magic of out and out rejection comes in.
Nothing is a shrewder teacher or opens more opportunity for change (to escape the typecasting inherent in expectations and past experience) than rejection.
Why?
Because I love you.
23. There's no good and bad. There's good and... better.
And better is always a valid direction.
Life is a verb, not a noun.
There's no static good and bad... there's directions, though...
there's better. there's what is.
no matter what we're doing, we're going in one of those directions.
I'd always rather being up... unless I'm headed towards Filene's basement to pick up a killer deal on some sweet ass pumps.
24. if you can do anything, you can do anything.
if you can do anything at all no matter how little and unimportant, you can do anything at all no matter how big and important.
just as much as you can make someone upset, you can make them incredibly happy, too.
all there are is a bunch of basic building blocks, a giant lego set. you can either build pleasure, or on the other hand, you can build absolute sheer ecstasy.
"Excuse to touch you" touch
"Excuse to touch me" touch
25. A famous quote says "If you do what you always did, you'll always get the same result"
Another famous quote is "Doing what you always did and getting the same result is INSANITY'
26. Compromise is death
The way compromise is normally done, anyway.
And it's death to personal relationships, as well as mass relationships - society.
Bad compromise works like this...
In a personal relationship, let's say one person wants to see movie X, and the other wants to see movie Y. They compromise by seeing movie Z - a movie neither really wants to see.
In society, you give up freedom X, someone else gives up freedom Y. You end up with some grey, crap colored area Z - something neither wants.
here's an important fact...
In Time, EVERYONE can have exactly what they want.
So let's work this differently, and instead of calling it compromise, let's call it negotiation.... the kind of negotiation that allows YOU to get what you want, and the other party to get what they want.
So in a personal relationship, you want to see movie X, your partner movie Y. What you should now negotiate is when you'll see X and when you'll see Y together. Or maybe you'll agree to experience them separately and chat about the experience later.
Z never enters the picture.
in society, you allow someone X, and they allow you Y.
Z never enters the picture.
Good compromise is more a matter of time management.
Again, in TIME, we can all have what we want.
And we HAVE to be adult enough, grown up enough to ALLOW other people to have what they want, in order for us to get what we want. This is the only sustainable solution.
When we start getting greedy, insisting that only we get what we want, and nobody else gets what they want... that's a road that ultimately leads to nobody getting anything.
This is a world we can all have everything we want, where there's more than enough for everyone.
Be giving, allow others their freedom... and you'll receive, too.
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1. Opinions are like sinuses
They blow
Say "That's not right", "you're not right"
They ARE right. What they say may be 'wrong', but everyone is right.
People get caught up defending themselves, not what they say, when you accuse THEM of being wrong.
2. Rejection is a gift
Thank others for giving it (if only to yourself), and give it freely.
Often people who should change, won't change without rejection, if only temporary rejection.
This may sound 'tough love' to you, but it's actually sweet love, because it works.
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Sin, Obedience and Thinking for Ourselves
by Trying2understand ini found this website to be very interesting.
it makes alot of sense.
i guess that i will be doing some research on what they have listed below.
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I found this website to be very interesting. It makes alot of sense. I guess that I will be doing some research on what they have listed below. : )
http://www.stagework.org.uk/webdav/harmonise?Page/@id=6022&Session/@id=D_jyh3YjS5CwdRsBHpgvAe&Section/@id=1009 Introduction The beginning of the lesson plan
http://www.stagework.org.uk/webdav/harmonise?Page/@id=6022&Session/@id=D_nE361WxecsY63mQwcVRD&Section/@id=1011 This link has the info that is listed below.
Sin, Obedience and Thinking for Ourselves
Learning outcomesBy the end of these lessons students should have a knowledge and understanding of:
• Myths of creation and afterlife
• The concepts of goodness, evil, sin Doctrines of the consequences of behaviour (reward, punishment).
By the end of these lessons students should be able to reflect upon and evaluate:
• Ethical values and actions
• Making responsible individual choices
The Bible: Original sin
Further levels of meaning come from the stories of creation, sin, good and evil from the Christian and Jewish Bible (the book of Genesis) and retold in John Milton’s famous poetic work Paradise Lost. Eve disobeys God by eating forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This is called “The Fall” (that is Adam and Eve have fallen into sin). ‘Original sin’ means that people are programmed to be disobedient and selfish, ‘evil’ by nature. Pullman asks the daring question – what happens if John Milton, and the Bible, got the story the wrong way round and this is really the origin of knowledge and imagination? The Christian Bishop, Hugh Montefiore, born a Jew, called this “the Fall upwards” – that is, humans became intelligent seekers for knowledge which gave them difficult choices.
Stories make you think
Pullman’s story is designed to make us think about our own lives, experiences, relationships and beliefs and is not to be taken literally. Stories in the Bible were also written and told to make us think, and they too should not be taken literally. It doesn’t really matter whether or not you can cut through the skin of our world into the next with a subtle knife – we assume really that you cannot; equally, it does not matter whether God created the world in six days, or whether snakes really were cleverer than humans and could talk. What myths and stories say about human experience, strengths and weaknesses is important for us to think about. You should reach your own opinions on the matters discussed – but do not be in a hurry. You need a lot of information first and need to know how to test whether information is true or false. You may agree or disagree with particular ideas. The important thing is to think about these things, to try to find your own answers, and to discuss issues with others. There are no easy answers. Life would be very boring if there were.
Task 2.1
a) Consider the question, What kind of world do you want to live in? What needs to be done to make our world closer to this ideal world? What bits of that can you achieve in your lifetime? (AT2)
b) On Stagework , go to Sources and Influences . What does John Milton say about Satan? And what does William Blake say about the imagination?
Paradise in The Bible
In the story who is on which side? Who is evil? And who decides? What is the origin and cause of evil and sin? Genesis in the Bible described the coming of sin when Eve, the first woman was tempted by the serpent. We are going to explore the story of Eve in paradise (called the garden of Eden) in the Bible (Genesis). This is a Jewish story or myth which Christians have adopted.
Task 2.2
a) Read Genesis chapters 1 to 3 in a modern version of the Bible. How does the writer explain human life?
b) Class project
Group A : Research “the big bang hypothesis” about the origin of the universe. Why have scientists today suggested this?
Group B : Research: evolution by natural selection. How is it thought that living things change (evolve) gradually over time? Together: How might we know whether the universe was created deliberately or happened by accident? (AT1)
God, Satan and the ‘sons of God’ (bene elim)
Satan was not at first considered evil. In the book of Job, he is a member of the heavenly court (“the sons of God”, bene elim appear in HDM) who accused the God-fearing Job of being pious only for reward. Job’s prosperity was then stripped away. God is described as a monarch in a palace surrounded by courtiers. He expects loyalty from subjects like Job, but regards Job as one of the best. It was this boast that caused one courtier, Satan, to challenge God to this test of faithfulness. The God of these stories walks around, disputes and is in every way human. He made humans ‘in his own image’ whilst keeping them at a lower status. He was concerned that the first couple could have become his equal by having knowledge and eternal life. He was concerned when they built a tower into heaven (the tower of Babel [Babylon]) which might challenge him. The courtiers (bene elim) decided to marry human women and have superhuman children, called the Nephilim (Genesis 6:1-4).
Zoroastrian influence
The great battle between God and Satan appears later and owes a great deal to Persian religion, Zoroastianism, which still exists today. The three Magi or “wise men from the east” were Zoroastrians in the story of Jesus’ birth. They worshipped one God, Ahura-Mazda and believed that the universe is one gigantic battle between the forces of good and evil. They influenced Jews and Christians. The New Testament book Revelation has an example of this great battle. Christians identified Satan with the Devil, the Evil One, the Prince of Darkness – and with the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Zoroastrians are mentioned in Northern Lights , p.97.
Task 2.3
Search in the library, encyclopaedias or the internet to find out more about Zoroastrians. Put information together as a class project. (AT1). What do you think is meant by an evil person? Why did Zoroastrians think there was a King of Evil?
Sin as failure to achieve one’s ideals
There is another view of sin, based on the Greek word for sin, hamartano, ‘failure to hit the mark’. This means the sort of behaviour that we know lets ourselves and our friends down. The first part of this process is to develop our ideals or promises; the second to stick by them whatever the consequences.
Task 2.4
a) How must the witch Seraphina Pekkala have felt when she failed to save the life of Lee Scoresby as she had promised? Contrast this with how Ruta Skadi behaves after she has killed Jopari. Discuss these feelings of guilt and revenge. (AT2)
b) The past century has included great violence and acts of genocide. What would you do if you were ordered to kill, and if you refused you would be killed yourself? Would you live up to your non-violent ideals, or try to save your own life?
c) Write a story, or prepare a role play, of a person who sees bullying happening. One character intervenes and stops the bullying; another does not but turns away. Make your characters as realistic as possible. (AT2)
Background Notes for Teachers
The Genesis story of Paradise
A ‘paradise’ was originally the walled garden of a king in the ancient world. The Genesis story describes this paradise as a “garden”, in the east, in Eden (the Middle East). The human (in Hebrew the word for both human and male is adam) was created first, “from the dust of the ground” and life breathed in. To provide a partner, the first human was put to sleep and divided into male and female. The man (now referring to the male human, is generally now called “the man” (ha’adam) and not Adam ) could say that she is “bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh” as she had been taken from his side; the object of life is to bring these two halves together again through marriage. In this paradise there was no shame, or guilt, or anger – or even hard work.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil
One tree, in the middle, was declared out of bounds and would cause death. This was “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”. The serpent, or snake was “more shrewd [clever] than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made”. This snake questioned, doubted, investigated and did not accept the authority of the Lord God. For those who did accept God’s authority, the serpent was the tempter and God’s adversary. In our story, the serpent was simply a snake who began a conversation with one of these not too bright humans who simply accepted God’s authority. “You will not die” [if you eat the forbidden fruit] the serpent said, “Your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil”. The fruit looked good, so she ate, and gave to the man who also ate. Their eyes were opened but the first thing they felt was shame, and made clothes for themselves by sewing fig leaves. They hid from the Lord God when they heard him on his evening walk, but the truth was soon out and the man confessed, blaming the woman, who in turn blamed the snake. This is called “the Fall”, the point when ‘sin’ entered the world. The man and woman had discovered the Lord God’s knowledge, and so had to be excluded from the garden in case they also ate the fruit of the tree of life and became immortal, and God’s rival. So the first man and woman were banished out of the garden and an armed guard, called a cherubim, a kind of dragon, placed to bar access to the tree of life. Thereafter, life outside the paradise was hard, its people having to grow food, kill animals, make enemies and kill, produce babies through painful childbirth and so on. The world and human life as we know it had begun. Paradise was lost and humans ever after dream of finding it again. The ‘sin’ therefore was to challenge God.
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1 Introduction: Understanding and reason
2 Sin, Obedience and Thinking for Ourselves
3 Good and Bad Character and Behaviour: Ethics and Morals
4 By Whose AuthorityGENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THESE LESSON IDEAS Learning Outcomes
What students can expect to learn and achieveCurriculum Context
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Religion in the news. Oregon Couple Beat 9 of Their Children With Boards,
by Trying2understand inpipes and spoons.. .
it's very sad to see how weak some people can be when it it comes to religion.
salem, ore. the home of an oregon couple charged with abusing nine of their children looked like something out of a horror movie, the prosecution said during opening statements of the trial.. marion county prosecutor sarah morris told jurors that the children of graydon and robyn drown were beaten with 2-by-4 boards, metal and plastic pipes, spoons and whips.. the children, who range in age from infant to 16, hadn't seen dentists or doctors and didn't go to school, morris said.. the children were taken by state welfare authorities after the drowns were arrested june 19 at their rural home.
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Pipes and Spoons.
It's very sad to see how weak some people can be when it it comes to religion.
SALEM, Ore. — The home of an Oregon couple charged with abusing nine of their children looked like something out of a horror movie, the prosecution said during opening statements of the trial.
Marion County prosecutor Sarah Morris told jurors that the children of Graydon and Robyn Drown were beaten with 2-by-4 boards, metal and plastic pipes, spoons and whips.
The children, who range in age from infant to 16, hadn't seen dentists or doctors and didn't go to school, Morris said.
The children were taken by state welfare authorities after the Drowns were arrested June 19 at their rural home. Each parent faces a 25-count indictment of assault and criminal-mistreatment charges.
The Drowns also have three adult children.
Two attorneys, Chapin Milbank and Stephen A. Lipton, are representing 49-year-old Graydon Drown. Lipton told jurors his client may adhere to religious beliefs outside the mainstream, but believes in what he considers reasonable discipline. He added that evidence would show the children were raised to be polite, well-mannered and respectful.
Robyn Drown's attorney, Brooke Holstedt, tried to separate the actions of the wife and the husband. "(There's) not only nine victims," Holstedt said. "There was another victim, another serious victim — Robyn Kay Drown."
Following the opening statements, an 11-year-old son and a 13-year-old son testified.
The 13-year-old boy said he and his siblings received beatings that would leave bruises or marks, and his happiest time with his family was when his father left to go to California for a week.
The boy said his mother was punished as well, forced at times to stand with her nose against the wall or slapped or hit. When asked by Morris if he loved his parents, the boy replied: "I love my mother."
Holstedt said Graydon Drown believed he was the Messiah and told Robyn Drown that his orders to her came from God. The two were both raised as believers of the Worldwide Church of God and lived in remote parts of Alaska during their marriage before moving to Oregon in 2004.
Holstedt described how Graydon Drown often would recite passages from the Old Testament as arguments for why she should obey him.
"In order for her to survive, she had to submit to ... every order, Holstedt said.
But another witness, Agnes Opgenorth, who attends Temple Beth Sholom, where the family regularly attended, said Robyn Drown did not seem dissatisfied.
"My impression was that she was very happy and proud of her relationship and her family," she said.
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Not afraid anymore and it feels great
by mac n cheese ini guess i should mention my/our status these days first:.
i've posted sporadically here, but have been a voracious reader of all of your wonderful posts.
spouse and i are almost inactive now.
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Trying2understand
I am so Happy for you and your wife. Enjoy your new life... Happy Holidays!!!
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Horrible conduct by congregation Elders at my cousin's funeral.............
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy cousin passed away last week from cancer at the age of 49. the cancer spread so fast it took our family by surpise.
we figured she had a couple of years instead of months.
she left 4 children(3 were baptised and 1 was disfellowshipped a couple of years ago).
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This story breaks my heart. I wish that I could just give him a huge hug.
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Need COC - Spanish Edition
by civicsi00 ini really need to get a copy of coc, but in spanish.
i've got a disfellowshipped aunt (who was d/f in 1993) but she is still very captive of the whole wt/fds thing.
(by the way, she didn't do anything "wrong", per se.
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Trying2understand
http://watchman.org/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_id=31 This website says that it's also avail. in spanish. You might contact them to see if they have it instock.
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Another Look at The Watchtower Society
by Trying2understand in.
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/5622578/jehovahs-witnesses-march-forward-witnesses-of-jehovah#document_metadata.
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I'm being officially disfellowshipped today
by Newborn in12-12-2008. .
dear friends, .
care to celebrate with me?.
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Trying2understand
You are now free from the evil................. Seeing posts like this gives me hope for others that are still effected by this mind eating disease. I wish you the best on your new life. Happy Holidays to you!!!!!
