Posts by Blasty

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How did God do it?

by nicolaou in

evolutionists are always called on to explain how a complicated organ like an eye could have come about "by chance" - as if any scientist ever claimed that's what happened.

but there are shelves of books in your library that will explain the process of natural selection, some are written so simply that a child can grasp the basic concept.

you don't have to accept it but at least an explanation is offered.

Blasty

Maximum, I only think my argument on both sides exists with this discussion, not others. If I phrased it that every discussion can have two valid sides, well that's not what i mean.

Don't think of the word faith as a dirty "creationist" word, since that's not what it is. It's just all anyone has when they run out of facts but they still want to believe in their conclusion. And i'm sorry but both arguments, for or against, are missing indisputable facts.

Also, any creationists that quote doctrine, or use the bible to prove their point, well they really are missing the essence of the conversation anyways.

I personally think that science, nature, and everything related to that is really the only way to prove or disprove God. And even with everything we know these days, we are only starting to realize how much we don't know. This is the exact problem I have with this discussion, so many people think they have all the answers, or that they read the last chapter that put the nail in the coffin, and they don't. They think they do, but in reality they are just building faith in their belief. Faith in evolution, or faith in creation. Mankind hasn't even come close to discovering the secrets of this universe, scientifically speaking.

Do I believe in creation? Yes. And it's only because of science, not because of a book, or what someone else told me.

The problem with people believing in God or not believing him, is also that we all build our own concept of God, and what qualities He should have. Lots of us leave our church, and while reinventing ourselves, we don't try to reinvent God. We just take the God we were taught or told of, apply what we know against him, and come to our conclusion. Well, the thing is, if your going redefine your life and religion, then part of that is redefining God. Which could of course still lead you to no God, but hey at least your not questioning yourself, which is the most important thing.

But that's not what I'm debating here really, I'm only stating that this debate is impossible, since it requires faith in evolution or faith in creation. And everyone can only find faith on their own, it can be told to you.

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Relationship Rescue (or how Dr. Phil got me out)

by Gladring in

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i was going to post this in the thread about what one comment helped you see the light but it became a bit too long and i thought the subject might be interesting in it's own right.

i've been hanging around for a while feeling like i should tell my story and this thread has caught me at a good time.

i was born in to the religion, baptized at 15, reproved at 17, married at 22, ministerial servant at 25. i'd had questions in my late teens and twenties but i convinced myself that i loved jehovah and wanted to stay and so i squashed those feelings.

Blasty

Some interesting things you brought up here Gladring. I'm of the mindset to question everything, and seeing what you've written here has generated some new questions for me. Thanks.

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How did God do it?

by nicolaou in

evolutionists are always called on to explain how a complicated organ like an eye could have come about "by chance" - as if any scientist ever claimed that's what happened.

but there are shelves of books in your library that will explain the process of natural selection, some are written so simply that a child can grasp the basic concept.

you don't have to accept it but at least an explanation is offered.

Blasty

I've come to realize this sort of debate is the argument of two sides to the same coin.

To compel the other side to explain their reasoning in exact detail, and if they can't, they surely are wrong. You can use that argument for or against creation.

The reality of it is, neither side can 100% prove their case, so both sides of this argument in the end, are a bunch of windbags heh.

That, and our minds don't understand anything that happens without cause and effect, beginning and end. Min and max.

I love how sure some people think they are, when in reality everyone believers, and unbelievers, are just working on faith in the end.

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I Had Lunch With Michelle Obama Today

by Justitia Themis in

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she is an amazon...i'm guessing 5' 11" with big hips.

her speech was ok, but she says "um" a lot.

our table was very close, which translates into we paid $500.00, instead of $200.00, per plate for our cold chicken salad.

Blasty

Hey, my wife is 6' and she has some great hips. in fact her old last name has the word Hipp in it. Which I thought humorous considering that baby making hips she has.

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Heavy Metal monk Capuchin Friar Cesare Bonizzi!! RAWK ON!!!!

by Lady Zombie in

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please tell me there are some other metal fans in here besides me!

some of you mentioned receiving flack from the elders because you listen to rap, but surely there has got to be some other rock n' roll and metal fans in here.

i still remember the flack i got for listening to 80's music, classic rock n' roll (loved jethro tull, doors, pink floyd, and so on), and worst of all.....heavy metal!

Blasty

Haha, that's pretty cool. I'm definately a heavy metal fan, I listen to all sorts of stuff though, but I surely mix some heavy metal in there too.

I listen to a few bands that my wife can't stand to hear apparently. It's ok though.

I really like heavy metal driving music. My car is a source of relaxation for me, and the combination of my car, and some good driving music is pefect. I think after today, it's exactly what I need.

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Bad Associations spoil useful habits. Are the JWs right? Scripturally?

by Open mind in

it has been interesting for me to learn the various ways that the jws twist the scriptures to fit their own dogma.

(of course jws aren't alone in that, but that's another topic.

) two quick examples of jws not following or going beyond the bible are blood and birthdays.

Blasty

I think they are in their determination of what a bad association is.

So I guess it's all about who you label as the person paul is talking about. Is it 6.5 billion of the people on the world, or is it actuallty a number far smaller then that?

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just a typical marital counseling session?????

by oompa in

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so how did it go some have asked?

at some point the lady therapist asked me what was probably my number one concern....it just came out...."i don't know if i can stay married to a jw"...wife burst into tears...and never let up...not even on the way back to drop me off at work...i also said in session i would prefer an open minded wife, and i don't think wife would pick me now either...not an unbeliever, not an overdrinker, and that marriage to me meant being able to share pretty much everything with one another, my feelings, my friends, my concerns, and that i did not like living a double life...and explained what that was too......she of course said she would stay in the marriage, and mentioned the adultery only rule...so i said it sounds like she feels she is stuck with me...she said it sounds like our marriage is already over....the lady says she does know for a fact that jw's do indeed get divorced without sex sins...cause she has counseled more that one couple like us...one in, one out....that ended with divorce.

i did say nice things about her...said the things i love.....and vice verse...and we both said we wanted the marriage to work....so at least a good basis for continuing the sessions.....the lady wants us to find common ground and just ignore the religious difference for now...i said great but how can we do that when the religion is all encompassing to my wife...it is everything....i will be glad to go to the ground if she can find it....but she never got a chance to find it yet...we ran out of time.

Blasty

Oompa...I'm not 100% sure where you stand on the scriptures and stuff,

But, she has to agree on a few things. First, God is more important then the WTBTS, secondly Jesus Is also more important. Third, we should believe the word of the Bible before the words of the WTBTS. And, then see if you can get her to agree, that if the word of any of those three disagree with the words of the WTBTS, then we should do what God, Jesus, and/or the bible says.

Then I suggest having her look up some scriptures on marriage.

1 Corinthians 7 is a chapter with ammo for both of you really.\

May also want to pick a neutral ground bible, JW usually brag that any bible will prove their truth.

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just a typical marital counseling session?????

by oompa in

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so how did it go some have asked?

at some point the lady therapist asked me what was probably my number one concern....it just came out...."i don't know if i can stay married to a jw"...wife burst into tears...and never let up...not even on the way back to drop me off at work...i also said in session i would prefer an open minded wife, and i don't think wife would pick me now either...not an unbeliever, not an overdrinker, and that marriage to me meant being able to share pretty much everything with one another, my feelings, my friends, my concerns, and that i did not like living a double life...and explained what that was too......she of course said she would stay in the marriage, and mentioned the adultery only rule...so i said it sounds like she feels she is stuck with me...she said it sounds like our marriage is already over....the lady says she does know for a fact that jw's do indeed get divorced without sex sins...cause she has counseled more that one couple like us...one in, one out....that ended with divorce.

i did say nice things about her...said the things i love.....and vice verse...and we both said we wanted the marriage to work....so at least a good basis for continuing the sessions.....the lady wants us to find common ground and just ignore the religious difference for now...i said great but how can we do that when the religion is all encompassing to my wife...it is everything....i will be glad to go to the ground if she can find it....but she never got a chance to find it yet...we ran out of time.

Blasty

oompa, it seems like you want to save your marriage, and you realize what needs to change somehow.

Of course, in any relationship, it's about both people bending to the other, neither of you can expect the other to go 100% there way. She clearly sounds like she isn't willing to bend at all, so you need to change that, and at the same time you need to be willing to bend too.

The hard part is, this issue is so integral to the hearts of both of you, that bending is probably the last thing either of you really want to do.

Ask her, what is she going to do to help save this marriage? Your going to a counselor, your including her in it, your not just walking out on her, your reaching out to her desperately it seems. You need to get her on the Marriage train, and get her to help you save this marriage, otherwise she's just lying to herself and to God by letting the marriage fall apart.

A JW may say they don't believe in divorce, but if she is divorcing you in her heart, and in her mind, then that's what matters to God, not some legal paper at the courthouse. That paper means nothing to God. If she's not trying to save this marriage with you, then she's divorcing herself from you already.

But this is all just my opinion and perception on the matter.

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Men: what do you want us women to know to understand you better?

by LouBelle in

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us women have always told you what we want, how to be treated, now it's your turn.

what do men want us to know about you?

Blasty

Haha, you know what, it's sad but true. I've been picking up a lot of the slack around the house, and I don't care, I think a relationship is supposed to be 100/100 not 50/50. And I'd feel so much better about all the stuff I do to keep our house going, get our kids to school, and her off to work, if I just got more sex.

No I'm not a househusband, I have a full-time job, she just seems tired all the time, and rarely tired at all.

I'm 30, and my wife is 28, and sometimes I think were in our 70's already.

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is there a true jehovah God

by mattbetrayed in

can anybody help me i was brouhgt up a jw i pioneered went to bethel was a ms gave public talks but left because i knew they are false in every way god is good he loves us crhist saved us but these people want to see all killed except the "govering body " and the 1st and 2nd class witnessses the heaven bound and the earth bound i have stayed away from god and other faiths for yrs as felt should not but i have read some stuff about russell and rutherford and this has made me along with what i have found out about 1975 see that i need help from those who know what it is like being brouhgt up in this evil lie i hope that god will direct someone to help me god bless

Blasty

what I find is interesting, is that no matter what you believe, in God, or in no God. It still takes faith to get there. Since no matter what the answer is in the end. You can't be 100% sure, you can be 99% sure. But short of dying and coming back to let us know...well you just can't be 100% sure. It takes faith to believe in God, just like it takes faith to believe there is no God.

Not to be confused with "the faith" or "The faithful" or any of those other bible pounder labels.