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  How would you have explained this scripture as a JW or even as a Christian?

  by StoneWall in

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  2. bible

  exodus 32:14 [nwt] " and jehovah began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of doing to his people".

  this is taken from the new world translation but it is worded very closely the same in american standard, king james version and a couple other translations.

  why do they refer to the "evil he had spoken of doing to his people"?

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  I really appreciate the responses to this verse and would like to say thanks yet I really feel most misunderstood what I was asking and the point I'm making.

  Sure in this verse it could be argued that God changed his/her mind about destroying the Israelites on this occasion and in light of how it's worded that would be a valid concern.

  But what I was really after is why did so many translations in this verse use the word "evil" in reference to what God was going to do, instead of other words like calamity,destruction etc.?

  In other words as JW's we were taught that God=good and Satan=Evil. That this was all revolving around a battle between Good versus Evil.

  Battle between the forces of Light versus the forces of darkness so to speak.

  So if God doesn't do evil things, what prompted the word evil to be inserted in so many translations in this case?

  Also if you go up a few preceding verses and read them, it seems Jehovah has reached a judgement(decision) as regards these unfaithful Israelites and yet Moses was able to get God to change his mind on his judgement call. What the heck is that about?

  So Jehovah can reach a decision/judgement on his people, and HE is suppose to be perfect in all his ways and yet a mere imperfect mortal can cause him to change his "perfect" judgement. Something doesn't add up.
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  How would you have explained this scripture as a JW or even as a Christian?

  by StoneWall in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  exodus 32:14 [nwt] " and jehovah began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of doing to his people".

  this is taken from the new world translation but it is worded very closely the same in american standard, king james version and a couple other translations.

  why do they refer to the "evil he had spoken of doing to his people"?

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  Exodus 32:14 [NWT] " And Jehovah began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of doing to his people"

  This is taken from the New World Translation but it is worded very closely the same in American standard, King James version and a couple other translations. Why do they refer to the "evil he had spoken of doing to his people"? Does this mean God can/will do evil?

  Looking forward to your comments,reasonings,explanations etc.
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  Vidqun said:

  No, I am not interested in the views of biologists. Let me tell you a little story: The Greeks believed in spontaneous generation. The came Antonie von Leuwenhook (spelling?) with his microscope, and Pasteur, and they proved spontaneous generation doesn't exist. These were the fathers of a new science called Microbiology. Then I turn to my biology text books to read that life did indeed originate spontaneously. You need a great amount of faith to believe that.

  And therein lies the problem with your argument. It always gets back to the catch 22.

  You're saying that life couldn't originate spontaneously and that since there are life forms they had to be created then.

  Well where did God come from? Was he created? Did he spontaneously come to be?

  He's conveniently invisible and "evidently" way more complex than these life-forms you're describing earlier, and yet just always has been and always will be. You see no signs of spontaneous life under a microscope and yet we see no signs of anything else in the universe that has no beginning or no end such as "God".

  Just as the JW's had us try and "reason" with unbelievers using the house analogy. "See that house over there? What if I told you that house had no creator/builder and just appeared one day. Would you believe it?" Once the house-holder said well NO they wouldn't believe it, then we would follow up with the universe having to have a designer/creator being so much more complex than a house.

  The part the JW's (and other theist) leave out though is the part about someone asking if you believe the guy that built the house had no parents, had no birthday and will never die. The house had to have a builder/designer but he with the much more complex body that made the house didn't have to have a designer.

  So you always get back to this conclusion one way or the other. Either life spontaneously started at some unspecified date and in a way that science as of yet hasn't figured out,(may in the future but not as yet) or God just always has been and is invisible to boot.

  Which of those two requires more "faith" to believe?
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  What do you guys think?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so back in the olden days, (the 1980s) it was really frowned apon for a man and woman who are unmarried to be alone together without a chaperon.

  where i came from they probably carried it to the exreme but that's the way i understood it was supposed to be throughout the org.. i have been out for years, but my wife continues to be a faithful dublitron.. anyway, she cleans houses, and one of her clients is a recently widowed brother.

  i have come to find out that many times he is there when she cleans his house.

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  Just because Arnold Schwarzennegger had affairs with his maid (cleaning lady) I wouldn't let it bother me too bad.
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  SNL skit about Tim Tebow....even funnier now in view of what happened Sunday

  by StoneWall in

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  any of you that know who tim tebow is will either find this skit hilarious or disturbing depending on your religious views or lack there of.

  (since they did lose this sunday) remember this was aired saturday night before the sunday game between denver broncos and new england patriots.. leave it to saturday night live to present it in a way that only they can.. .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2dhnaqgxm&feature=g-logo&context=g23c7a1efoaaaaaaaxaa.

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  Any of you that know who Tim Tebow is will either find this skit hilarious or disturbing depending on your religious views or lack there of. (Since they did lose this Sunday) Remember this was aired saturday night before the Sunday game between Denver Broncos and New England Patriots.

  Leave it to Saturday Night Live to present it in a way that only they can.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2dhNaQgxM&feature=g-logo&context=G23c7a1eFOAAAAAAAXAA

  I didn't go back through all the other threads too far so if this video has already been posted, I missed it.
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  Join me on my psychodelic adventure--(Pssst. This is a music, psychodelic appreciation thread.)

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  2. friends

  i just found this brilliant psychodelic instrumental cover of incense and peppermints.

  it is the epitomy of groovy.. yeah and share you psychodelic favorites and covers please.

  pictures of psychodelic and mod people, cars and fashion would be pretty hip to share.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiczue5iwu4.

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  Brother Prince

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlhlyT4i7-g
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  So my JW wife cheated on me. Need some help or at least a sympathetic ear.

  by JonathanH in

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  i have neither friends nor family to turn to.

  the result of being born in a cult.

  but i need to talk about this.

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  DOC said

  I think her full disclosure is a cry for help. Otherwise, she would have just kept it a secret or packed her bags and left.

  I disagree with the above for the simple reason I've been around guys/gals were they had flings such as this and the overwhelming reason they "fessed" up was because they know how most guys are about not being able to keep something hidden/secret and actually bragging about it to other guys/friends about their latest conquest/triumph or "notch in their belt".

  It's your life and you can view what happened anyway you want, BUT you've heard the saying," fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."

  Think about the deceit involved here. It wasn't one of those times at work or some other location a guy gives a girl some attention and she has been feeling kinda low about herself and lets the guy maybe touch her boob or butt etc.. and then feels either guilty or ashamed that she let it get to that point.

  No your wife from what you described deliberately lied to you (going out with the girls etc.) then intentionally wore a lingerie bra to expose her nipples. (that shoulda been a what the hell moment for you)

  I wish you the best of a bad situation and only you have to live with your decision but I can't shake the feeling she was more worried about someone else OUTTING her than just being honest about what happened.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  I've got a question.

  Is the Karl Kline in the opening post on page one the same as the Karl Klein mentioned in the other posts?

  I'm guessing this may be an accidental misspelling or were there two different Karl's that is being referenced?

  If this has already been asked and cleared up my apologies for missing it.
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  Super Bowl predictions - Place them now

  by JRK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after seeing most of the season unfold, i am going to make my prediction who will be in the super bowl this year.

  after seeing the play of most teams i am ready to go out on a limb.. here is the official prediction:.

  the super bowl will have the green bay packers vs. the baltimore ravens.

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  StoneWall

  My Favorite teams

  1. Atlanta Falcons

  2. Carolina Panthers

  3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

  4. Miami Dolphins

  My least favorite teams

  1. New England Patriots

  2. Green Bay Packers

  3. Pittsburg Steelers

  4. S.F. 49'ers (mainly because they used to be in same division with Atlanta years ago and that sucked during Montana and Young days at QB)

  Wonder if it's just coincidence that my favorite teams are all from the south. hmmm got me to thinking now that I look at my list.
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  Super Bowl predictions - Place them now

  by JRK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after seeing most of the season unfold, i am going to make my prediction who will be in the super bowl this year.

  after seeing the play of most teams i am ready to go out on a limb.. here is the official prediction:.

  the super bowl will have the green bay packers vs. the baltimore ravens.

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  I think it will be the Green Bay Packers vs. Denver Broncos.

  The reason I say Denver is not because they're such a great team but because of Tim Tebow. All he does is win. And he does it without style and finesse. Some of those games he came back to win at the end was some of the ugliest plays I've ever saw but yet somehow he pulled them off.

  No team that I've seen yet can hope to compete with the Packers in the skill department.

  So it's going to take a team such as the Broncos that are unconventional (and hell let's face it, most of the time they don't even know what they're going to do) to take the Pack by surprise with plays they're not expecting or practiced for.

  But I'd like to take this time also to give a big shout out to a team that has both impressed me over the year as well as let me down when I was counting on them the most. And that is none other than the Atlanta Falcons. StoneWall is still rootin for you guys even tho I know you haven't got a chance in hell to get to the super-bowl and at this time it'll be fortunate if you make the play-offs.

  So I'll end this with Go you dirty birds. GO YOU HOTLANTA FALCONS !!!!!!!