i just wrote a special tribute to randy, barbara, john hoyle, cedars and paul grundy at http://richardekelly.com/blog2/jehovahs-witnesses/modern-day-truth-seeking-internet-vigilantes.
would like to hear your comments about these heroes of mine or people that you would like to add to my list..
Club I checked out your link.
Thanks for sharing.
You asked in your post who we would add to the list. I would for sure add former GB member Ray Franz since he was so instrumental in showing so many "the truth about the truth" (TTATT), whether it was through his books or personal correspondence etc.
we kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc... then we take into account how god hates two sets of scales to measure with: (quotes from nwt).
proverbs 20:23 " two sorts of weights are something detestable to jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.. proverbs 20:10 " two sorts of weights and two sorts of ephah measuresthey are both of them together something detestable to jehovah.. so my question is this.
why not lead by example?.
FHN could you elaborate on your view of he does freely forgive everyone in view of the situation mankind is currently in with death,disease,poverty birth defects etc..?
Tec,
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.'
You have to see where I'm going next with this as you posted up above. No where in that scripture is it stated forgive them after they repent. If so then its not freely forgiven because it had a requirement attached to it.
I guess my biggest gripe is the way people word things.
I'd have no qualms with it if it stated forgive those who are repentant, beg for forgiveness etc.
It's sorta like when people talk about the gift of god, then telling you what you have to do to expect to receive that gift.
If you have to work for it or meet it a requirement. it's no longer a gift but a wage because you earned it.
It's all in how somethings worded which can change the total meaning.
we kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc... then we take into account how god hates two sets of scales to measure with: (quotes from nwt).
proverbs 20:23 " two sorts of weights are something detestable to jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.. proverbs 20:10 " two sorts of weights and two sorts of ephah measuresthey are both of them together something detestable to jehovah.. so my question is this.
why not lead by example?.
We kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and Jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc..
Then we take into account how God hates two sets of scales to measure with: (Quotes from NWT)
Proverbs 20:23 " Two sorts of weights are something detestable to Jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.
Proverbs 20:10 " Two sorts of weights and two sorts of e′phah measures—they are both of them together something detestable to Jehovah.
So my question is this. Why not lead by example?
If I recall correctly it was only one trespass that got Adam and Eve thrown out of the garden of Eden.
It was only one trespass that got Moses in hot water and not allowed to enter the promised land. (Failure to give God credit for bringing forth water from the rocks etc.)
So in each of these instances instead of following the "freely forgiving and up to seventy-seven times" etc. it only took one trespass/sin.
Calls to my mind the question of do you practice what you preach?
for me, it's a "liquid plum'r deep impact" commercial that just sets my teeth on edge.
in it, the (mousey looking) "housewifey" woman (who is obviously married to an impotent tyrant and has about 8 kids) is in the grocery store, holding a bottle of the product, while fantasizing about the two guys who come to "snake the drain" and "flush the pipe, baby"... to a barry white-ish voice narration.
now, i have no problem with some woman fantasizing about some hunks... and given the success of the romance novel industry i would be a fool to think bored housewives are among these.
Tec you said you haven't seen the commercial..
So just for you here it is in it's entirety.
Now don't you be fantasying after seeing it... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7fz0jpuLkM
Something tells me after seeing this commercial a lot of girls going to be checking out the deli and produce sections of their local grocery stores in case they've recently hired some new employees. haha
the whole reason i even got dragged into this jw stuff, and we didn't just become somebody's return visit they never came back on, is because my mom claimed that the demons were talking to her.
they told her that the jws knew the truth about them, so she called the local kingdom hall.
bible study was started, and that was that.
partial quote of sd-7
a few times it took the shape of a naked woman and we did some really unmentionable things.
If that particular demon ever shows up again can you send them/it my way.
Edited to add: It sounds in the description above that it was a succubus (female demon). I'm going to try and post some pics and if it looks like any of them, send my way. It's only fair that if the angels(demons) of Noah's day materialized male bodies to be with the female humans then turn about is fair play.
justin bieber comes to town and you're scoping out all the mothers who're either dropping off their daughters or chaperoning.
self-facepalm moment..
You know you're an old fuddy duddy has-been when..............
You actually remember them saying stay alive til '75, and then it dawns on you that 1975 came and went over 37 years ago and yet you can't remember what you had for dinner yesterday.
our video now translated in six languages on our website "aggelia".
french - dutch - english - italian - spanish - czech.
htt://www.aggelia.be/videos/tg0412_intro.html.
Going to make the website in the opening post into a clickable link since they went to such efforts in various languages.
www.aggelia.be/videos/TG0412_intro.html
Great job on the video!
i am prompted to impart this piece of priceless information upon all men, due to the number of dating topics posted lately.. some women like to size you up by the animals you like.
if given the choice among animals, choose the cutest one.
it doesn't matter that you hate them.
Hmmm Even Tom Jones had a song about PussyCats.
So I take it how can you go wrong liking PussyCats with a song like this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBdSqk78nHw
*Edited to add:
It'd be interesting to count how many times in that song he actually says "PussyCat".
And starting at 1:37 on that video above, now that I'm older I can see how some could say he was referring to something else other than a normal feline. I used to hear this song when I was younger and never caught that part. All I can say is WOW.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
this will be the second "reward" that i have the privilege of sharing with you today.
if you recall, i have shared with you that virtually every time i've gone through a fairly grueling "battle" for our lord... i receive a "reward".
May you all have peace, love and rock n' roll
The thing I'd like to focus on from the opening post is the Ellipsis (the ...) after 1 Tim.2:15 is partially quoted.
When you see that in a quote it means something was intentionally left out, sometimes changing the meaning of the original context by not appearing in complete form.
The Watchtower has done this many times and I always like to go back and read the original documentation if at all possible.
But getting back to the opening post lets look at why the reasoning that is given is not supported in the scriptures that are cited when read in complete form. I'm going to quote that one verse from a number of translations in its entirety to compare what is said to what is meant.
(In each case notice the qualifying word that I underline in each quote and notice how it applies to the over-all scripture)
1 Tim. 2:15 [New World Translation] However, she will be kept safe through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and sanctification along with soundness of mind.
1 Tim. 2:15 [New International Version] But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Tim. 2:15 [King James Version] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Tim. 2:15[Young's Literal translation] and she shall be saved through the child-bearing, if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.
End of 1 Tim. 2:15 bible quotes.
So notice how it does go on in that scipture to qualify how the woman would be safe not just through the act of child-bearing as brought out in the opening post but it would be dependant on continuing in faith,love, holiness etc.
That is why I can't buy into the argument of what is initially presenting by AGuest in the opening post in this thread.
Her reference to Exodus chapter 21 is totally independent (and I see no correlation at all) of 1 Tim. 2:15 in that Exodus is talking about the "consequences" of what would befall someone that harmed a pregnant woman, and Timothy is dealing with not just pregnancy but the act of child-bearing and continuing on and remaining faithful etc.
Let's compare this to modern day. I'm going to make-up a scripture and you see how it changes by just leaving out the part where "if" is in the verse.
StoneWall 2:15 "And StoneWall decided to give AGuest one thousand dollars, if she traveled around the world two times by sailboat."
Now in view of that imaginary scripture, what if AGuest made the claim that StoneWall was going to give her $1000 dollars?
While not totally a false-hood, it would actually be misleading due to the fact that it is dependant on her satisfying the qualifying part of "if she traveled around the world two times by sailboat."
Anyways I hope everyone had happy holidays and a great new year to all.
StoneWall (a free man now and forever)
here is mine.. if you start with the pivotal date of 1000 c.e.
and add 1914c.e.
(because of jw's), then add 2012 (because of mayan calendar) you come to the date of 4926 c.e.. but bear with me just a bit cause this is not the "end" as of yet because we still have to factor in the mileage between miami and tampa.
Here is mine.
If you start with the pivotal date of 1000 C.E. and add 1914C.E.(because of JW's), then add 2012 (because of Mayan calendar) you come to the date of 4926 C.E.
But bear with me just a bit cause this is not the "end" as of yet because we still have to factor in the mileage between Miami and Tampa.(273 miles)
So if you take the principle of a year for a mile and a mile for a year that would be another 273 years to tack onto the end.
So that would total 4926+273=5199 C.E.
I know this may be hard for some of you "unbelievers" to fathom but it all kind of makes sense if you squint your eyes at the date and rub your belly while drinking Bud Light. (or any beer that you can say gives you "New Light")
Ok thats my date for the END.
What's yours?
