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  Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  well known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..

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  Another one freed from the clutches of the WatchTower.
  This Independence Day (July 4th in 'Merica) just got better with news like this.
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  I may have finally figured out why some today think we are responsible for what others did centuries ago....it's in the bible

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know how adam and eve are supposedly responsible for selling all of mankind into sin and thus becoming "slaves to sin".so what they did (if it's not a fairy tale) affected all of the humans that would come after them.then at exodus 34:7 it goes on to show the sins of the father being passed down to the third and fourth generations7 "keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.

  " (asv)even though i no longer look to the bible or regard it as i once did, i'm just trying to figure where some in today's world can even get the idea others are responsible for things that were done before they were born.

  only religion can make people feel guilty for things they never did/done or were a part of and then make others feel as if they're entitled to something..

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  Sea Breeze said:
  "Double standards flow naturally from the false inconsistent idea that we can all each have our own truth... which makes each of them equally false according to another."
  
  ummm maybe double standards come from a so called holy book that says with god there is no partiality then in that same book goes on to say how he picked one race to be his chosen people.
  Or how Adulterers were to be stoned then goes on to make exceptions to their own rules. Did King David get stoned for his relationship with BathSheba? Speaking of good ole King David, how many wives and concubines did he have? Talk about double standards the bible is full of them.
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  I may have finally figured out why some today think we are responsible for what others did centuries ago....it's in the bible

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know how adam and eve are supposedly responsible for selling all of mankind into sin and thus becoming "slaves to sin".so what they did (if it's not a fairy tale) affected all of the humans that would come after them.then at exodus 34:7 it goes on to show the sins of the father being passed down to the third and fourth generations7 "keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.

  " (asv)even though i no longer look to the bible or regard it as i once did, i'm just trying to figure where some in today's world can even get the idea others are responsible for things that were done before they were born.

  only religion can make people feel guilty for things they never did/done or were a part of and then make others feel as if they're entitled to something..

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  Anna Marina says: "Try moving beyond Exodus 34"
  
  Ok how's this? How about all the innocent Egyptian babies that were slaughtered for only being "guilty" of being the first-born? What did they do to deserve that?
  Next on my list...how about of Job's children that died just because supposedly God and Satan had a bet if Job would stay steadfast? What did they do?
  How about Jephthah's daughter having to answer for a vow he made to god at Judges chapter 11? What did she do? Why not allow him to answer for himself and let her make her own vows? The list goes on and when people try and say the bible teaches we answer only for our own sins I say wholeheartedly and unreservedly "BULLSHIT"
  

  But to get back to my original OP I was just trying to figure where these people think we owe them anything for what happened in the past. I've never owned slaves and they've never been slaves.
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  I may have finally figured out why some today think we are responsible for what others did centuries ago....it's in the bible

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know how adam and eve are supposedly responsible for selling all of mankind into sin and thus becoming "slaves to sin".so what they did (if it's not a fairy tale) affected all of the humans that would come after them.then at exodus 34:7 it goes on to show the sins of the father being passed down to the third and fourth generations7 "keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.

  " (asv)even though i no longer look to the bible or regard it as i once did, i'm just trying to figure where some in today's world can even get the idea others are responsible for things that were done before they were born.

  only religion can make people feel guilty for things they never did/done or were a part of and then make others feel as if they're entitled to something..

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  We all know how Adam and Eve are supposedly responsible for selling all of mankind into sin and thus becoming "slaves to sin".
  So what they did (if it's not a fairy tale) affected all of the humans that would come after them.
  
  Then at Exodus 34:7 it goes on to show the sins of the father being passed down to the third and fourth generations
  7 "keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation." (ASV)
  
  
  Even though I no longer look to the bible or regard it as I once did, I'm just trying to figure where some in today's world can even get the idea others are responsible for things that were done before they were born. Only religion can make people feel guilty for things they never did/done or were a part of and then make others feel as if they're entitled to something.
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  Food Boxes given out by Society

  by JustChillin in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  anyone else get a food box delivered by local congregation to your door - allegedly by the society?

  weird.

  i looked online and found a couple of youtube channels saying the society is taking food from food banks and giving it only to their congregations.

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  Kim and Mikey had this on their youtube channel for any that missed it.
  It is a "secret" recording of the instructions that the Elders from one hall were giving to some of the members and told to keep it quiet. Even went so far as to ask them on Zoom if anyone else was near by that would be able to hear what they were fixing to say.
  Interesting recording.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm9h8NRSK60
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  This is the one Guy I'd love to heard his take on this Covid-19/Coronavirus! He kinda foretold it

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he hit the nail on the head with so much of this in people trading their liberties because of a germ.george carlin: comic,philosopher,actor,atheist.https://youtu.be/x29lf43mulo

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  He hit the nail on the head with so much of this in people trading their liberties because of a germ.
  George Carlin: Comic,Philosopher,Actor,Atheist.
  https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo
  
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  A perfect world

  by wasone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the movie.

  released in 1993. i only recently saw on streaming channel axis tv.

  it stars kevin castner (butch) as an escaped convict who befriends a young witness boy( philip) who he has taken hostage.

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  I liked that movie.
  For the most part they did a good job of portraying what a "J.W. kid" misses out on such as birthday parties celebrating any/all holidays and basically showing what a isolated life so many that grow up as witnesses have/had to deal with.
  There were definitely parts in it that anyone that was raised J.W. would relate to.
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  How do you think this covid-19/corona virus pandemic will affect the way J.W.'s view shunning?

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know that the watchtower (jehovah's witnesses) say the reason for disfellowshipping is to protect the congregation from some uncleanness or threat.so they "quarantine" (shun) those they perceive can spread information that does not agree fully with their teachings/doctrines.it's almost like they want to liken it to a real disease by calling opposers "mentally diseased", "threat" etc.

  will the current state of affairs in the world regarding this pandemic strengthen their cause/argument in favor of isolating within their ranks?

  i can visualize them in the near future even having parts at the hall or assemblies pointing back to this pandemic and saying something along the lines of "brothers what do you think would happen if we would not have quarantined and stayed away from any that were infected?

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  I'm not sure why on this site some of my post get treated as links and put in blue text that aren't. The above was just text so if you see a blue link etc don't bother clicking it.
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  How do you think this covid-19/corona virus pandemic will affect the way J.W.'s view shunning?

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know that the watchtower (jehovah's witnesses) say the reason for disfellowshipping is to protect the congregation from some uncleanness or threat.so they "quarantine" (shun) those they perceive can spread information that does not agree fully with their teachings/doctrines.it's almost like they want to liken it to a real disease by calling opposers "mentally diseased", "threat" etc.

  will the current state of affairs in the world regarding this pandemic strengthen their cause/argument in favor of isolating within their ranks?

  i can visualize them in the near future even having parts at the hall or assemblies pointing back to this pandemic and saying something along the lines of "brothers what do you think would happen if we would not have quarantined and stayed away from any that were infected?

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  We all know that the Watchtower (Jehovah's Witnesses) say the reason for disfellowshipping is to protect the congregation from some uncleanness or threat.So they "quarantine" (shun) those they perceive can spread information that does not agree fully with their teachings/doctrines.It's almost like they want to liken it to a real disease by calling opposers "mentally diseased", "threat" etc.
  Will the current state of affairs in the world regarding this pandemic strengthen their cause/argument in favor of isolating within their ranks? I can visualize them in the near future even having parts at the Hall or assemblies pointing back to this pandemic and saying something along the lines of "brothers what do you think would happen if we would not have quarantined and stayed away from any that were infected? If just one person was released back into the populace it could potentially infect others all over again."
  What are your thoughts? Do you think they will try and use this to draw crazy comparisons or take the high road and not even make the attempt?
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  So what are you doing...

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...while under house arrest sheltering in place?.

  i'm editing a (non jw related) novel i hope to self publish soon.

  i may be making an announcement about that in the near future.

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  StoneWall

  I've been busy working on our Off grid property that we purchased a couple years ago.
  It's nice with this quarantine to be able to go out to it and be away from other people for the time being until this covid-19/corona virus thing ends.
  Even though our main residence is tied to the power and water grid I'm so much happier when we get out to the off grid property(7+ acres) that has no power lines on it or water meters etc. So much peace,serenity and tranquility out there.Getting back to nature and seeing all the wildlife out there has been such a refreshing and invigorating experience.
  The fresh water springs coming out of the mountain side has felt so regenerating to my aging body. Even on the hottest of days that spring water stays cold.Wish we'd got that property back when i was younger so we would have had more years on it.
  Guess better late than never I suppose.
  Hope all of you are staying safe during this pandemic and may you all have good health.