Posts by hybridous

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Are we losing our way a bit at JWN?

by nicolaou in

firstly, i want to be crystal clear how grateful i am for jwn.

it's been my place of support for over seventeen years and it's the first online space i direct anyone to if they are taking steps out of the cult.

i am not bashing jwn - i love this place and appreciate the hard work and expense simon puts in to keep it going.

hybridous

I think this board has been, and will continue to be a treasure.

I recall the politics getting heated after Obama was elected. Didn't mean too much then - good discussions were had, and I doubt that the heat over Trump will be different.

I think the connections we 'enjoy' via the JW experience, can serve to overwhelm any other frictions. Hope so, anyways. Love you all. And good job, Simon, et. al.

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Immigration: The Truth about the LIe - CRIME

by Wonderment in

immigration: the truth about the lie: crimecrime: do immigrants increase rates of violence?

there has been a lot of talk about how immigrants pose a threat to the safety of this country by increasing crime rates.

is there any truth to this, or is it "fake news.

hybridous

Great analysis, thanks for playing. We are in debt to your herculean efforts.

Robust, indeed.

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Immigration: The Truth about the LIe - CRIME

by Wonderment in

immigration: the truth about the lie: crimecrime: do immigrants increase rates of violence?

there has been a lot of talk about how immigrants pose a threat to the safety of this country by increasing crime rates.

is there any truth to this, or is it "fake news.

hybridous

Cult mentality is applying a spurious label to a source:

* Satan's world
* False religion

and then proceeding to discard all arguments from that source, based on the label. Kinda like you have done.

Hassan is indeed a recognized authority on cults. He is not infallible. Therefore, all his arguments are, and must continue to be, scrutinized for validity. This is the case with all rational, scientific endeavors. Name calling doesn't cut it.

You have been invited to watch the video, dispute the data and/or conclusions, and present your findings to this discussion board. I await your robust critique.

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Immigration: The Truth about the LIe - CRIME

by Wonderment in

immigration: the truth about the lie: crimecrime: do immigrants increase rates of violence?

there has been a lot of talk about how immigrants pose a threat to the safety of this country by increasing crime rates.

is there any truth to this, or is it "fake news.

hybridous

“The Truth About Crime,” brought to you by none other than Stefan Molyneux of “Freedomain Radio.” If you’re a regular listener of this guy, then you should check out what Steve Hassan has to say about him:

Not an argument.

Sorry, couldn't resist!

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Life seemed so simple when we ...

by eyeuse2badub in

is it me or do you share my thoughts about life seeming so simple when were--------------kids and when we were----------------die-hard jw’s?.

as a kid we trusted our parents explicitly.

their word was truth and we believed everything they said.

hybridous

Yes, thinking for yourself is a burden (of-sorts).

Because you have to own and live with the outcomes of your decisions.

This "burden" is one I'm willing to bear. In the ORG you can see learned dysfunction from being spoon-fed conclusions to every one of life's complicated questions.

The inability (unwillingness?) to adjust to new information carries over into other areas of life. Suffering results.

"If something can’t go on forever, it won’t"

As the ORG struggles forward, JWs will have to get nuttier to stay in it. They are up against entropy (undefeated in the history of the universe).

I do share some of your sentimentality concerning our very black/white, cut and dried paradigms of childhood, but I think as time goes on, it will be harder and harder to be a JW.

Their lives may be simpler, but more miserable.

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Immigration: The Truth about the LIe - CRIME

by Wonderment in

immigration: the truth about the lie: crimecrime: do immigrants increase rates of violence?

there has been a lot of talk about how immigrants pose a threat to the safety of this country by increasing crime rates.

is there any truth to this, or is it "fake news.

hybridous

'only serves to criminalize those immigrants.'

Not true. Also serves to define a country as an actual working political entity, with actual rules and laws about who may and may not be there.

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JWs made me hate school

by StephaneLaliberte in

yesterday, i had an epiphany.

i realized that the jw religion made my experience in school awful and i hated school because of this.. yesterday, my kids had an activity where the whole school was out at the park, playing baseball, soccer, other pic-nic games and even swimming pools.

during the day, i had conversations with the teachers and saw the kids out, playing having fun.

hybridous

Awesome OP. I had the same experiences growing up. All I wanted to do was the one things my duped parents would never allow...

I wanted to fit in and be normal

Such a trifling matter, and perhaps it is only so valuable because it had been denied.

Sometimes I consider the notion that my kids will simple never know how awful my JW childhood was...because to truly know is to live it, and have it as your own. I am content to have them be happy and NOT EVER KNOW.

So happy that your kids and mine will never have to suffer the idiotic delusions that we did. In this way, we suffocate this miserable cult one family at a time.

Also, let's be frank about this. When you're taught that everyone at school is bird food, and that your time there is a necessary evil, not to be embraced, but to be fleed from ASAP, then...perhaps an otherwise smart kid is DIS-incentivized from really trying; pouring effort into it; maximizing the potential benefits from being there....

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I Think Their Is A Move Coming From Higher Ups To Get These Insane Idiot Out Of The Drivers Seat Of Jehovah's Chariot

by Brokeback Watchtower in

look at all the lawsuits, scandals, unsuccessful cover up, contribution shrinkage, stopped building project, and much more.

these guys are steering jehovah's chariot off a cliff if someone don't put the breaks on these delusional clowns.. so what do you think is there something a foot there at chemical dump clean up site warwick?

i bet you a coup is in the offing, because you know not everyone close to the governing body believes their bull shit but are playing along until the time is right to keep the wt ship from sinking like the titanic..

hybridous

'Unless they reform. Things will only get worse. They are well aware of the teachings and policies that are damaging the organisation. They need to make the needed changes and do this quickly before they sink deeper into the myre!'

Good comment! Since this is the case, I suspect that how they handle this paradigm will inform us as to what they truly think about themselves.

If they hold fast to the damaging teaching and policies, I think it suggests they they are victims of their own delusions that they peddle to others. I think it means that they really believe they are correct in these matters and must not waver because YHVH is going to bail them out in return for their loyalty.

If they do blink and change course, it's a tacit admission that YHVH may not, in fact, come to their rescue, and they need to do what they must, to ensure the viability of the ORG. In this case, perhaps the more-practical minded and less-fanatical would be calling the shots. But this could be a slippery slope, and if some policies and teachings can be altered, why not some others? In this way, the WT ORG maintains its survivabiliy by morphing into another thing altogether - slightly weirder mainstream American Protestantism.

Either way, we know (and I suspect they know, too) that the center cannot hold, and they cannot persist being how, and what, they are.

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I Think Their Is A Move Coming From Higher Ups To Get These Insane Idiot Out Of The Drivers Seat Of Jehovah's Chariot

by Brokeback Watchtower in

look at all the lawsuits, scandals, unsuccessful cover up, contribution shrinkage, stopped building project, and much more.

these guys are steering jehovah's chariot off a cliff if someone don't put the breaks on these delusional clowns.. so what do you think is there something a foot there at chemical dump clean up site warwick?

i bet you a coup is in the offing, because you know not everyone close to the governing body believes their bull shit but are playing along until the time is right to keep the wt ship from sinking like the titanic..

hybridous

Agree with no apologies and berrygerry the GB are talking heads.

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I Think Their Is A Move Coming From Higher Ups To Get These Insane Idiot Out Of The Drivers Seat Of Jehovah's Chariot

by Brokeback Watchtower in

look at all the lawsuits, scandals, unsuccessful cover up, contribution shrinkage, stopped building project, and much more.

these guys are steering jehovah's chariot off a cliff if someone don't put the breaks on these delusional clowns.. so what do you think is there something a foot there at chemical dump clean up site warwick?

i bet you a coup is in the offing, because you know not everyone close to the governing body believes their bull shit but are playing along until the time is right to keep the wt ship from sinking like the titanic..

hybridous

I'm sure at WT corporate meetings the shit is hitting the fan. I see the GB removed from office as not fit maybe even a removal of golden parachute benefits and dismissal from office and residence to save the corporation from total bankruptcy.