Are You Satisfied To Let The Government Take Care of You?

by minimus in

jw
friends

some people want limited government involvement in their lives.

the less government, the happier they are.

others feel there’s not enough government intervention.

hybridous

If the government takes care of you, you don’t have to work.

Right. Perhaps, YOU don't have to. But someone else does for you. There is no FREE anything. There are only transferred/deferred costs.

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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

by pistolpete in

so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

americans love guns!.

hybridous

“If you are for gun control, then you are not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. So it’s not that you are anti-gun. You’ll need the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns. So you’re very pro-gun; you just believe that only the Government (which is, of course, so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous…) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions.”

- S. Molyneux

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Meetings

by pontoon in

so remember how assembling together is a command and no man or government can stop us, even if it means going 'underground', even if means being arrested, jailed, beat....can't stop us from assembling together----until covid.

now it's "false regligion" fighting for their constitutional right to meet together while the jws seem to be perefectly happy zooming their lives away..

hybridous

I am having a hard time imagining the WT Society being content with this current JW meeting arrangement,

So much control is exerted laterally - one JW behaves because of another JW.

I think they lose a lot of that without real meetings.

Without all that control....what's left of this 'religion', anyways?

They need the Covid scare to subside so JWs can re-connect with other JWs before 'worldly' folks fill the void...

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UPDATE: Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

*** update 2020/11/21 ****.

hello people,.

some time ago i made my first on this forum after i have just woken up.. i was very scared and honestly i am still amazed from the fact that i am still getting replies in the old thread.. here is the link to my previous thread: link.

hybridous

Agree with notion that -

The fewer elder interactions you have, the BETTER!

Also, I know it's hard, but do your best to limit criticism of the religion when you talk to your parents. None of what you say will matter in their devotion, but it can serve to further degrade your relationship with them to an unnecessary extent. In other words, you can only HURT things, you can't help.

Anything anyone wants to know about the WT is freely available for thorough examination. If people don't know, it is because they don't want to know. There's no lack of opportunity now to learn about such things.

I am hoping that the elders might be done with you - but I doubt it. They may still try...with your parents' help...to maneuver you into a situation where you say/do the wrong thing and thereby have justification to dispose of you via Judicial Committee. This is where you MUST have discretion. Your best protection is your silence. Don't throw it away in an attempt to make some point that will NEVER do you any good.

Good luck...and keep us updated.

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Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

by JWTom in

this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

hybridous

I wonder if the global COVID situation might have sped things along for the Tower...

Once (if?...) various governments give the 'All Clear' signal to resume regular gathering/worship, how many JWs are ready to climb back into that hamster wheel?

This pandemic handed regular JWs relief from their religious burdens in a way that nothing else could. The average JW has been able to take a legitimized break from their religious duties (to some extent) while not having their standing in the congregation threatened. It's really been a one-of-kind opportunity to catch your breath and relax a bit.

I can't help but imagine that a significant number of JWs will be less-than-inclined to hit the ground running, whenever this COVID situation resolves. They may miss associations, but I think that many will have experienced a WT-sized gap in their lives...and it wasn't hard to fill.

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Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

by JWTom in

this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

hybridous

If everyone obeys, even if it doesn’t make sense from a human standpoint, the Borg will end. All their growth is JW kids being pressured and forced to get baptized. If they listen and obey the GB on points 1 and 2, we will all be blessed with their demise. It could be stated that the only reason the Borg is in existence today is due to PIMOs that don’t listen to their bullshit and get married and have kids.

This is a good comment. The course of action the WTORG most admonishes the 'friends' to adhere to...

...is precisely one that gives them NO FUTURE.

This cult either has a death wish, or believes it's own BS (namely, that YHVH is going to intercede to perpetuate it's existence.)

It`s getting to the stage where they can no longer maintain the belief that the GT / Armageddon is imminent ,eventually even the most faithful loyal one will have to acknowledge that its just not true.

You might not be wrong, but I don't think we can overstate just what a tough reckoning this would be for them. The whole paradigm hinges on impending Armageddon. Lots of fear to leverage with that belief.

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HELP!! Just Woken Up - Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

i've just been introduced to this site by a pimo friend of mine.

this will be my first post on this website.

i need help, and he told me you guys are a very supportive community.. i'm a female in my mid twenties.

hybridous

Glad you came here for some help. This is a nice group with lots of experience.

Let's start here: what do you want the outcome of your life to be?

You have (perhaps) 2 courses of action...

1. Meet w elders. Deny, deny, deny. Claim spiritual weakness. Claim to be LOYAL to the ORG. Say what you need to say to preserve your standing in the congregation, thereby retaining your relationships within (for now...). If you choose this, you know will have to orchestrate a long fade....

2. Make your stand. Lose everything.

This life can be a wonderful thing. Especially once you are able to fully embrace it, without the WT shackling your mind. Don't give up on yourself - and I promise you, your very BEST days are still IN FRONT of you. You (like me) were born into a bad situation. It's a hell of a thing to wrap your mind around. But the flip side is that a tough WT childhood can serve to provide useful perspectives on the value of living a free, and enriching life.

You didn't mention your father in all of this. Does he have a role to play?

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"I still miss it Dad" My 41 Year Son Admitted

by 1234 in

jw
friends

on the 18th of september i turned in my disassociation letter in to the tigard congregation, 19 years ago.. my son turned in his letter in november 2001, 19 years ago shortly after me.

he was 21 years old.. two days ago we were working together on a wrap for his a/c unit on his bus.. out of blue, he says "i still miss it dad.

not the religion.

hybridous

Perhaps what he really means is (and I've felt this myself)...

We miss the comfort of the comradery and certainty.

Of course, the comradery hinges on the certainty of the belief system. And once that certainty fails, the comradery fails once a person can no longer go thru the motions.

And then we realize that the comfort we derived from these delusions - was false as well.

I do know the sentiment, though. I still hold places in my heart for all my childhood friends in the religion. We are all in the same boat, so-to-speak...stuck there to validate our parents' delusions.

Go ahead and meet these people later in life...life has a way of dragging us in divergent directions. See how very, very little you have in common with these people now - especially if you left the religion and they remained within.

I think we miss the comfort of things as they were. Knowing now that it was a false comfort helps to lessen the sting. If we were comfortable, it's because we were ignorant.

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So the elders gave my 19 year old daughter a shepharding call depression ensues!

by nowwhat? in

against our wishes she got baptised at 16 because she got brainwashed by her cousin.

the last year or so she hasn't been so gung ho about the "truth".

anyway the elders came down on her for not getting her time in the last couple months because she absolutely hates zoom letter writing.

hybridous

This is excellent news: even the "elduhs" don't think the "end" is near. She's got at least 4.5 years to do what she wants and then she can still "repent" and survive armageddon.
Wasn't there a time the jws said a "five year plan" was worldly and unnecessary?

This is great!

'Brother?! A 5 year plan?! Don't you read the Society's literature?! We're in the FINAL PART....of the FINAL PART...of the last days! Who needs a plan THAT long?!'

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So the elders gave my 19 year old daughter a shepharding call depression ensues!

by nowwhat? in

against our wishes she got baptised at 16 because she got brainwashed by her cousin.

the last year or so she hasn't been so gung ho about the "truth".

anyway the elders came down on her for not getting her time in the last couple months because she absolutely hates zoom letter writing.

hybridous

Bring the hammer down and tell them that had better NEVER happen again. Your 19yo daughter does not need to be meeting two adult men when they had promised otherwise.

AGREE!! This is unacceptable in ANY context.

I would consider contacting them directly and telling them so, in UN-ambiguous terms.

JWs think they can behave in sketchy-ass, weirdo behavior, while in service to their cult.

The well-being of your daughter is WHOLLY, and uncontestedly YOUR BUSINESS, And their ambush shenanigans reek of pretense for abuse.

If you call them, and call them out, out of concern for your daughter...you might put them on the defensive, and that may serve to cool their application of pressure on her.

They damn-well know that sketchy behavior doesn't fly outside of cult-world. From that direction, I would bring your concern for her to bear on them.

hybridous

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