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  Any Buddhists here?

  by DevonMcBride in

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  i recently started studying buddhism and found it to be very deep but most of it makes a lot of sense.

  any other buddhists posting here.

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  to cognizant:

  Questions posed to make one think and reflect for oneself and not rely on other religious leaders to do it for you.

  Thinking and deep contemplation is a good thing. If those questions can cause people to realize that they have the right to think for themselves...then it's a very good thing. I think JWs have been so oppressed that their thinking abilities have atrophied. The hard cores are so dependent they have to ask the elders if ice cream is OK. You know what I mean.

  A lot of people involved in "christian" religions have begun to bail too, because they are seeing the lies there, as well.

  These questions would be well and good if it were not for the fact that it leads into a blasphemous philosophy that "we are god." Just because I plant a seed and water it, does that mean I can make a flower?

  In other religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism especially, one must constantly deny self and become something else, perfect, holy, sacrificing, the list is endless depending on which denomination you belong to. This type of striving to become other than what we are, leads to unhappiness and depression for many people. For of course, they are always failing, never measuring up, never good enough. Punishment and eternal damnation is always a mere "grape" of God's wrath away!

  You are 100% absolutely right and accurate. I agree wholeheartedly. These religions are based on guilt...how else would the rabbi make money? Why do you think Jesus turned the bird cages over and broke the tables of the money changers at the temple? He tried to expose the fraud of it all.

  From all I have seen the Watchtower is the very worst of the religions. They control through fear and guilt. The penance for unworthiness is stiff. Watchtower consumes your whole life with meetings 5 days a week, making you beg on street corners and at doors to get money or converts to bring in more money, they get your children by default and maybe a few other relatives, and they can take your life, your loves, and your sanity in a moments notice.

  You speak of "one religion" in a disparaging way. Yet, isn't that really the aim of Christianity? Isn't their goal to unite all mankind

  NO. It is not the aim of christianity to unite mankind. It may give that impression with some words on the surface, but ALL religions are elitists. Each one thinks that "god" is exclusive to them. Christianity has done more to divide people than it ever has to unite them. It has done more to provoke war than to unite. Every sect has something that makes them exclusive to god and different from the rest. The Jews will quickly remind you that they are "God's Chosen". In other words, they are First and Best and you probably don't stand a chance! Then the christians will say "oh, no you're not. Not anymore. You forfeited your inheritence!" And then the JWs will come along and say "We are god's mouthpiece. We are the only truth." Do you have any idea how many religions say that they are the only ones with the truth? Jws are not the only ones who say that.

  You speak of "one religion" in a disparaging way

  Yes. Because this is the crux of the great deception that is soon to be played out. I see it as a pit fall. It is an idealistic pursuit. It will not be what it seems. "One religion" would mean that all would have to (again) participate in a beehive mentality. As long as it is a religion there will be dictates. Where there are dictates there can be no freedom of thought. It is another trap. The "eastern" religions are a new twist on views, especially considering amerika has been labeled "a christian nation" and it is the majority.

  People are sick of the lies of their christian religions. Much of it has surfaced now. Christianity has faced up to the pagan holidays and some have even preached it from the pulpit now. People are ready for a change. They will readily accept the new wave of individual enlightenment as opposed to the subservience to orthodoxy. The pursuit of mystical oneness was at the heart of early Christianity. It was consumed by the business of religion as it became incorporated and mixed with Judaism and other Babylonian superstitions.

  Buddhist philosophy recognizes "the one-ness" and "inter-connectedness" of all sentient beings in the present moment.

  There are a lot of people I am in no way connected to nor would I want to be.

  It does not wait for a vengeful God to intervene in and force "oneness" upon us.

  The problem, as I see it, is the very concept of this god. If you understand who and what this god is, then you would have your answers.

  The old testament is a compilation of various gods. Somewhere along the way through mis-translations, ommissions, and assumptions, all these deities got rolled into one. This became the "Yhwh/Jehovah" that people refer to today. This deity is a malevolent spirit. It is very clear this force is destructive and NOT creative as he refers to himself as a god of armies, among other undesirable characteristics.

  2 Corinthians 4:4 (Wycliff) in which [the] god of this world, that is, the devil, hath blinded the souls of unfaithful men, that the lightening of the gospel of the glory of Christ, which is the image of God, shine not

  Most of the world does not knowingly worship Satan, they are deceived. They have chosen religion over truth. You have seen that for yourself in the Watchtower.

  committing of atrocities against their fellow man in the name of their respective God.

  That will soon stop. The UN has some ideas to put those plans into operation. They have some very strong dictates coming about. As the scripture says "who can make war with the Beast?" None. Because these new policies are solid. No religion will be allowed to claim exclusivity to god. Also, JWs and Mormons will no longer be allowed to go door to door prostelytizing. These are things that no one will argue with. They are good things. People are sick of having these things forced on them on street corners and at their doors. No one will argue or make war with the beast. They will be glad to see these new laws come about.

  The problem is god. There are some major problems with this deity. I do not think god is our creator.

  Our creators were plural. "let US make man in OUR image". It was at least a joint effort if not a team effort. I suspect it was likely a team of scientists from another civilization.

  If our creators were plural, then why do we give credit to a single deity who shows more proclivity for a destructive nature than a creative one?

  Thank you for the opportunity to discuss this.
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  Muslims Influenced by WBTS

  by cameo-d in

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  scientific study of religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970.

  several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental.

  there is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups.

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  Scientific Study of Religion volume 9 number 4/winter1970

  Black Muslim leaders appear to have been influenced in the early 1930's by eschatalogical teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses . Several details of doctrine are too similar to be coincidental. There is some evidence of direct contact between the two groups. It is possible that the cryptic ambiguity of the Watchtower doctrines enhanced their appeal to the Black Muslims.

  Watchtower Influences on Black Muslim Eschatology:

  An Exploratory Story

  William A. Maesen

  Department of Sociology

  Lewis-St. Francis Colleges

  Introduction. This study explores the possibility that Black Muslim leaders were influenced in the early 1930's by certain eschatological teachings of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses). The paper first presents several similarities of doctrine which appear to be too close in specific detail not to suggest direct influence. Then, evidence is presented suggesting contact between the Watchtower Society and the Nation of Islam sect and the possibility of influence of the former on the latter. Finally, an interpretation is offered as to why Black Muslim leaders may have been influenced by Watchtower teaching.

  Doctrinal Similarities

  The doctrines to be cited here are drawn principally from the works of Joseph F. Rutherford, second president of the Watchtower Society, and Elijah Muhammad , leader of the Black Muslims. These are official, authoritative sources for beliefs of the respective movements, at least at the time of the early 1930's. (Since the time of Rutherford's writings, the Watchtower Society has made some changes in its belief system.)

  At least one other writer has noted the doctrinal similarities (Essien-Udon 1962: 403n.); another has hinted at suspected adaptations (Martin 1968: 262). An informant told me that many black muslims are aware of the resemblances between the two, since the influences are often topics in the question-answer sessions of at least one Black Muslim Mosque of Islam. Furthermore, the fact that Black Muslims explicitly and vehemently deny any causal relationship implies at least their recognition of the possibility of such influence.

  Society for the Scientific Study of Religion

  Website:http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/journal.asp?ref=0021-8294&site=1

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  The Society for the Scientific Study of Religion was founded in 1949 by scholars in religion and social science. Its purpose is to stimulate and communicate significant scientific research on religious institutions and religious experience . Scholars from all fields of study who are interested in the scientific exploration of religion are invited to join the Society. Membership in the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion gives scholars the opportunity to share their research and ideas with other scholars.

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  Get ready to see these religions become syncretic. If they all have common demnominators, as they do, it will be a simple twist to bring similarities to the forefront and focus on this. It is a well laid plan for the new one world religion.

  The JWs will never be persecuted as this transition takes place. It will be the EX-JWs and the EX-Christians (who have realized they have been duped by these falsehoods masquerading as religions) who will be persecuted as the anti-christ. That means US!
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  Paradise over population problem solution

  by jakmarx in

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  check out the "life in a peacefull new world tract" .

  http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1987/1716/1600/lifeinapeacefulnewworld.jpg .

  it clearlys shows the solution for a future paradise over population problem.

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  Matthew 24:40-41 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

  And "where will they go?"

  Luke 17:34-37

  I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."

  "Where, Lord?" they asked.
  He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

  These are the ones that will soon be gathered. These are the ones who will refuse to go along with the "one world " concepts.

  Just like watchtower has thinned out the dissidents...the "Beast" (government and religious entities) and the False Prophets (those who have signed a contract with Beast to promote and uphold the one world platform) will soon thin out all the objectors. This will not only help to decrease population in general, but the ones left will adhere to the policies of "one world" out of fear or ignorance.

  I can't figure why JWs are so up in arms about the NGO contract signed with the UN because the Watchtower promotes many of the same things as the UN. They seem to be very much alike in some of their ideas. UN plans to restore to paradise earth also.

  Fact is, that can never happen. It's not what Jesus said, number one. And number two, earth has already reached tipping point of ruination.

  We already have a ton of missing kids. Where are they going??? Is child sacrifice going on in this country? Are there cannibal clubs as some have suggested?

  The U.S. Department of Justice reports

  • 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
  • 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
  • 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
  • 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)
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  SO, WHERE ELSE SHALL WE NOW GO???

  by minimus in

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  where are most of you posters going to go now?

  there seems like there's more than a few places that are popping up.

  (and thank you for already inviting me to some new forums.

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  Like bread cast upon the waters....

  Go ye therefore and warn all nations.....

  Hopefully, the scattering of our crumbs all over diverse places on the internet will cause the Watchtower lies to be more "in your face" for surfers.

  Because of this site, the movement has grown strong. Many are now well-prepared with references and refutes to all of the rhethoric put out by the Tower. The ex JWs have gained knowledge, and the strength that comes with support..not just from JWD but also Freeminds, Inc. and many other sites.

  It is time now to spread out and reach many more people through diverse avenues. We are strong as individuals now. We have enough knowledge and facts to stand alone and accomplish this now.

  We don't need anyone "to go to." We are the BRINGERS.

  Let the battle of Armageddon begin.
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  JWD is a big ol' crutch!!!....and a marriage counseling update

  by oompa in

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  and thank the great apostagod i found it, cause i was quite crippled and needed crutches.

  waking up messed me up in many ways and has strained my marriage beyond belief as my wife is still a very hard core jw.

  i have used jwd as a support group, and it is very good as that (my shrink said i needed to find one).

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  therapist has explained to my wife just how flucked up I still am and have been....and said I really NEED JWD

  You have a prescription for JWD?
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  For Stilla

  by cameo-d in

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  i will always remember stilla for his favorite saying which popped up on may occassions:.

  "god just loves the smell of burnt flesh.

  'tis a restful odor you know...".

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  I will always remember Stilla for his favorite saying which popped up on may occassions:

  "God just loves the smell of burnt flesh. 'Tis a restful odor you know..."

  Stilla,

  You may get a Kingdom Hall Court Martial for saying that today. But, back in 1927...you would have been eating Aunt Bea's biscuits for saying such a thing! I thought of you when I came across this article. Enjoy!

  Time Magazine

  Jehovah, Jupiter , Baal

  Monday, Mar. 28, 1927

  Last week in the prisoner's box of a crowded Toronto courtroom, Ernest V. Sterry squinted through thick glasses at a jury of his peers, stood trial for blasphemy against the Lord God of Christians.

  In the Christian Enquirer he had written of the God of the Bible as "this irate old party . . . this touchy Jehovah . . . who preferred the savory smell of roast cutlets to the odors of boiled cabbage ,* who sat in a burning bush or popped out from behind the rocks" (TIME, Jan. 24).

  Edward J. Murphy, devout Roman Catholic , prosecuted for the Crown with vigor, called Atheist Sterry's writings "scandalous, impious, blasphemous, profane and indecent."

  Judge Coatsworth, Sunday School Superintendent , charged the jury: "Nothing is more sacred to us than our religion. . . . We look upon the Bible as the basis of every good law in our country."

  The jury, devout men all, took only 25 minutes to pronounce Mr. Sterry guilty.

  They had found no worth in his defense, led by Negro E. Lionel Cross, that his attack was upon "the old Jewish God" and that there is "no more blasphemy in talking against this God than there is against Jupiter or Baal."

  The judge sentenced him to 60 days in jail.

  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,730255,00.html

  
  
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  JWD form being removed. WTBTS will rejoice

  by Jim Dee in

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  the post a few days ago saying that the discussion forum must be removed is sad.

  its sad because it gives troubled ones a way of leaving the wtbts its sad because it removes support to ones damaged by the wtbts its upsetting because free voice against the wtbts has been removed

  my brother in law - co in uk - said the announcement went through london bethel like a dose of salts.

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  In a personal conversation, Beverly Sills, the Queen of Opera, once told my friend "It's best to leave while they still want to hear you sing."

  And likewise, with JWD.

  Better to end it now than to let it go to the dogs.

  Better to leave with dignity. Much good has been acomplished here. The record will stand.
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  Any Buddhists here?

  by DevonMcBride in

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  i recently started studying buddhism and found it to be very deep but most of it makes a lot of sense.

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  If you buy into this buddhist-metaphysical crap you will just be trading one lie for another. This is the "up and coming one religion".

  Some of these philosophies are beginning to seep into the christian churches and I expect the Watchtower will eventually teach it too.

  Supposedly some old scrolls have been found from Solomon's Temple that show that Jesus spent his years from age 14 to 26 in India.

  Now some are making word accociation s like Christ=Khristos=Krishna. Are they saying Christ was Krishna? Maybe.

  Islam-Christianity-Judaism are all Abrahamic religions. The word Abraham is rooted from Brahamin. A Brahamin is a Hindu priest.

  The hindu sacred cow thing....the Jewish sacrificial cow on the altar....there are many connections.

  Archeologists now say they have found that Jesus was actually buried in India and they have the grave and bones for proof.

  If you go in for this new age-buddhist-metaphysical stuff, these are some of the teachings:

  What if heaven were a state of mind and not a location?

  What if I suffered just to suffer?

  What if love was beyond what I know?

  Become nothing...be everything.

  What if there was no story?

  What if I say yes to everything?

  Nothing will last...does this really matter?

  How can we go where we already are?

  You get the drift. It's a bunch of lofty platitudes. You perceive you understand it, but its still just as much nonsense as the watchtowers twisted words.

  I am you. You are me. We are one. You are source creation. You are the full expression of god.

  God is within. We are god.

  It's is the coming teaching of the one world religion. Right now, the churches and synagogues are calling it "Inter Faith Activities". Last year they even had a group of Hindu dancers in the synagogue.

  Deny the knowledge of Jesus and the promise of resurrection and there is nothing left but desolation.

  Jesus will not be invisible when he comes back.

  The Temple of Oneness was just opened in April. Pretty soon they will spring this on the christian as the "rebuilt temple" to replace solomon's temple. It is not very ornate; its just floors, archways, roof, beautifully laid out and designed. Hindu dancers, chanters, etc. Probably snake charmers next. It's all a buncy of boohey.

  The scary thing is that they have designed this temple to fit with the landscape of Rev. 22. The lighting is holographic orbs displayed in the air all over the Golden City (that's what they call it). And the worship is organized to have 8,000 people at all times in four shifts to fill the temple.

  Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life. No one comes to the father except through Him.

  The buddhist religion and the coming one world religion demotes Jesus to just another prophet. Failing to recognize that Jesus is all we have is the spirit of the anti-christ.
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  I'll be at pursuit-of-truth.activeboard.com:)

  by White Dove in

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  i'm there now with loubelle.

  it's a forum for anything and everything.

  i'm white dove there so you'll know me.

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  Well isn't that just the JW way?

  Step over the dead bodies and on to the next gig?
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  'Paradise Earth' makes absolutely no sense!

  by navytownroger in

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  the jw idea of 'paradise earth' seems to be full of holes.

  will babies of baptized jws also be in the new system?

  if not, how could the child's parents consider it 'paradise' without their children?

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