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  Well, I Guess There IS One Good Thing About the WTBTS...

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you're the kind of person who would rather convince yourself that someone isn't "deserving" of your help... which may include your money... even an amount as small as $3.00... the wtbts was the right group to be a part of.

  because they have every excuse under the sun for not giving to the poor... not helping out someone in need... not even giving a hungry one a meal (because we know, don't we, that every one of them is an alcoholic and/or drug addict... and everyone knows... particularly the wtbts... that those folks... those sinners... don't deserve to eat at all...).

  looks like some of have learned well from them.

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  Voices: "in the end...giving food to another individual who's only means is to SURVIVE...and by helping their life can be extended is NEVER a bad thing. "

  At what price? By humiliating him, stomping on his dignity by making him the focus of a scene, and requiring his participation? Play for pay.

  Yes, I do think motive is very important.

  Many will say..." But Lord, didn't I feed the hungry in your name?"

  And Jesus will answer: "I know you not!"

  There is a right way and a wrong way. That is clear indication that motive determines what is right or wrong.

  If you can do it in a way that raises the self esteem of the recipient like the story above of giving the guy a break because he collected cans and made the only effort he knew how, now that is a good example.

  Otherwise, you enable mooches who have no ambition. And you do it for the personal satisfaction of appearing benevolent before others.

  Jesus said do your good works in secret. Not make a scene and imply threats to other people.

  If you can help others to help themselves...that is a gift of lifting your brother and truly caring.
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  scary statement made by elders' wife

  by shadowolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so a few months ago i went with my family to meet for field service (ugh i hate it!!!).

  so while we were meeting for service, an elders' wife began to talk about the 'great' spiritual food the fds had gave us at the recent dc.

  she went on to say regarding info that the fds gives out "we have to follow it,even if we dont understand it, even if we dont agree with it.

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  FDS is "strange fire".

  And you know what happens to those who offer "strange fire".
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  When reason and logic fail...

  by Dark Side in

  1. social
  2. current

  ...this is what they resort to.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fujy1cq8hl0.

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  Darth Frosty: "Hmm he said it will not end in my generation or yours...evidence of JW new light?"

  No, more like evidence from Revelation 9:13

  "The smoke from her goes up forever."

  It does not end--period.
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  scary statement made by elders' wife

  by shadowolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so a few months ago i went with my family to meet for field service (ugh i hate it!!!).

  so while we were meeting for service, an elders' wife began to talk about the 'great' spiritual food the fds had gave us at the recent dc.

  she went on to say regarding info that the fds gives out "we have to follow it,even if we dont understand it, even if we dont agree with it.

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  Following the FDS when you don't understand why and even when you don't agree with it---because it means "your life"?

  What is so good about that "life" and what is that "life" even worth when you are not allowed to speak or show kindness to your own loved ones because of WT edicts of shunning? What happiness can there be in that "life" when you watch your loved ones die for lack of blood or medicine because WT says you can't have it?

  A life of obedience to FDS at the price of sacrificing your loved ones and your own divinely given capabilities of intelligence and curiousity, ---what kind of miserable life is that?

  If only you can get them to see it that way and to begin to question the dictates being put on them. Sometimes just putting your views in question form may get them to think a little bit deeper. Any way that you can make them actually think and reason to come up with an answer instead of just quoting WT dogma is an accomplishment.
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  Sept.15th WT - WT Society uses Guilt & Fear to Avoid Friendship & Internet

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  once again my wife and i were sent the " witness only " wt version by our lurking jw friend that they study at wt study meetings.

  and once again wt society is showing very controlling tendencies towards it's jw members.. do any of you remember the " old days " in the 1970's or early 1980's when witnesses used to have goody night after book study ?

  or you would have a " potluck picnic " with about 30 to 40 people getting to know one another to draw close as friends outside the confines of the kingdom hall ?

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  How can one NOT know "the deep things of Satan" when the WT magazines use violent imagery to exploit those very things?

  Armageddon is a spiritual battle; the MIND is the battlefield.

  The main aspect with the problem of Adam and Eve was that they succumbed to listening to someone else instead of trusting their own judgment and listening to their own conscience. And the one they listened to enslaved them. It's all a metaphor and can still be applied to today's dilemmas.

  The problem is that, not only JWs, but many others who are enslaved in control groups, are thwarted from listening to their own conscience; they are conditioned to deny their own conscience. This is the great sin. We are hu-man. Human Beings with a Spark from the Divine. We were given the ability to determine. We have an inborn conscience. Many people do not recognize or appreciate the "divine" aspect of their being and thus fall prey to these control mechanisms.

  Sometimes I wonder if WT and other groups are actually pushing hard to get people to realise this. Pushing them to the brink to see how much they will take until they say 'Enough is enough' and start to reason for themselves. Maybe, just maybe it takes an unreasonable catalyst like WT to push people to the point of cracking so they can break out of the stupor.
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  Branch Closings Puts It On the Line

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been a number of posts made about the watchtower society closing or downsizing branch offices and i think the hard consequences of this desperate move have not been fully appreciated.. ok, so you have c.o.

  's all over the place and who do they report to exactly?

  i believe various brothers (and lawyers) have pointed out the danger of having a catholic style chain of command and centralized leadership.

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  LV101: "Any positive views that it will crumble --- any REAL HOPE?"

  Pyramids crumble when the cornerstone of its foundation falls out first.

  What is it's foundation? Membership? Real estate?

  Looks like both of those things have tanked.

  It's on the way out. It won't be much longer.

  After all, Armageddon is a "spiritual battle": it's a war for your mind.

  Sure, there will always be a few loyal die-hards who will never leave. But we are promised that everyone will have had the opportunity to know the Truth before the end comes. Having the opportunity and pursuing it are two different things. Those that remain will be those who "did not love the truth" and instead followed the dictates of man.

  Truth is not something that will ever be published in a magazine with an agenda of control, power, and greed.
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  Steven Hawking changes his views on God

  by exwhyzee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't remember what his views were in the first place....anyone know ?.

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking.

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  Looks like he has become a Harold Camping groupie.
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  Well, I Guess There IS One Good Thing About the WTBTS...

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you're the kind of person who would rather convince yourself that someone isn't "deserving" of your help... which may include your money... even an amount as small as $3.00... the wtbts was the right group to be a part of.

  because they have every excuse under the sun for not giving to the poor... not helping out someone in need... not even giving a hungry one a meal (because we know, don't we, that every one of them is an alcoholic and/or drug addict... and everyone knows... particularly the wtbts... that those folks... those sinners... don't deserve to eat at all...).

  looks like some of have learned well from them.

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  It is apparent that this thread is a continued attempt to justify your skewed reasoning in what is a degrading manner of pretensious giving.

  When is a "gift" not a Gift?

  *When a recipient is compelled to perform an action in order to receive such "gift" it becomes, not a gift, but compensation-in-fact for said performance.

  *When by his own words, recipient states he is not allowed in store and is thus peacefully complying and "giver" demands the recipient break his peaceful stance in defiance of the store rules in order to receive a future benefit the "giver" intends to bestow.

  *When "giver" demands that the recipient lower his self esteem and dignity in order to comply with demands of terms and condition of said "gift", which is, in fact, a reward for bad behavior;

  When furthermore, said "gift" is not free but will be presented upon the action of recipient's fait accompli which is intended to glamorize the "giver's" appearance as benevolent, but is in fact, false and sanctimonous.

  There is a right way and a wrong way to give Shelby. When one acts based on their own sense of importance with the intent to aggrandize themselves in the eyes of others, and when one accomplishes this by placing demands on the recipient to comply and be obedient to their commands in order to receive a benefit, this is NOT freely giving. This is CONDITIONAL "giving".

  Would the recipient have received food had he not complied with the "giver's" terms? This we do not know. But what we can most correctly surmise, is that the "giver's" motive for the offer was ego based. This was further demonstrated by the attempt at personal edification in the eyes of others. The motivation is clearly evidenced by the disruption caused and the further demands placed on business staff by the "giver". "Giver" displayed intimidation tactics by extending implied threats of discrimination, and thus possible lawsuits, if staff co-operation was not forthcoming. This is evidenced by the circus scene and loud display to assure witnesses to "giver's" perceived discrimination. "Giver" acted with threat, duress, and coersion with intent to incite a mob action or possible lawsuit should the "giver's" terms not be met.

  Any business has the right to refuse service.

  Any business has a legal right to enforce its standards of dress code when properly Noticed at the entrances.

  Any business has the right and the duty to protect the health, peace and well being of it's patrons.
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  Furnishing my apartment suggestions?

  by Voices in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm trying to ways to furnish my apartment.

  now, unfortunately, i'm going to be renting my furniture because i do not want an empty apartment with only a bed because it'll be my first apartment in like 8 years.

  i need my apartment to look elegant.

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  Voices: "lol i need a female decorator/gay friend! (sorry...but sometimes gay men are perfect for the job...not saying ALL gay men are like that)"

  I found a lace tablecloth for my own Bohemian table at the thrift store. The problem was, my gay friend/decorator and I fought for it. He draped the lace table cloth around himself and sash-ayed through the store prissing down the aisles and saying how much better the tablecloth would look on him than on my table.

  Then he went to the full length mirror and re-arranged his drape several times while contemplating whether to use bugle beads or spangles on it.

  Needless to say...he won. And was stunning in his DIY Haute Couture.
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  Furnishing my apartment suggestions?

  by Voices in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm trying to ways to furnish my apartment.

  now, unfortunately, i'm going to be renting my furniture because i do not want an empty apartment with only a bed because it'll be my first apartment in like 8 years.

  i need my apartment to look elegant.

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  PART TWO.....BOHEMIAN ELEGANCE

  You should have learned this from WT that when you put the Rose (of paradise) in a pile of shit (lies, deception, and cruel mandates) that what is obviously underlying is often over looked.

  This is the magicians calling card. Distraction and presentation.

  Your GF's parents will not even notice your humble Bohemian roots if you add a few sparkles. Like this