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  Molech and Jehovah

  by cameo-d in

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  on the "word for the day thread" snowbird posted:.

  snowbird: "molech was the god of the children of ammon, chemosh, the children of moab, yhwh, the children of israel.. .

  i did not want to mess up the thread, so i decided to start a new one.

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  Prodigal: Wow, seems like EVERY ancient civilization had a narcissistic arsehole god!

  Actually, Prodigal, it seems like the same death god in all of these cultures. He gets renamed occassionally, but can still be identified by the same attributes and the same cruel demands placed on his slaves.

  Even with the JWs the religion centers around death. Sometimes I think more emphasis is placed on death and judgement and fear of those things than the importance placed on "paradise". With JWs the judgement is both in the here and now AND at Armageddon AND judgment continues into the promised land "paradise".

  There is no true freedom of the human spirit in any of this.

  Do all the dead go to Molech? If he is in charge of the underworld in all these cultures, apparently he claims these lives in death. Will those who belong to Molech be resurrected?

  Is Molech still being served today?
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  Molech and Jehovah

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on the "word for the day thread" snowbird posted:.

  snowbird: "molech was the god of the children of ammon, chemosh, the children of moab, yhwh, the children of israel.. .

  i did not want to mess up the thread, so i decided to start a new one.

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  Tec,

  My questions are still not answered. I think this is still underlying modern day observances and I'd like to get to the bottom of it.

  Jeremiah destroyed the cult of Molech during the time that Josiah was king of Judah (639-607 BCE). He also destroyed the sanctuary for Chemosh-Molech in the valley of Hinnom (which was referred to later as Gehenna) that Solomon had built.

  However, Jehoiakim reinstated foreign cults; it is anecdotal that Molech was among those cults. These cults were re-established in 607 BCE
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  Molech and Jehovah

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on the "word for the day thread" snowbird posted:.

  snowbird: "molech was the god of the children of ammon, chemosh, the children of moab, yhwh, the children of israel.. .

  i did not want to mess up the thread, so i decided to start a new one.

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  Why would all these nations worship their gods in the same way by offering human sacrifice? How does this make Yahweh/Jehovah any different from these other deities? Is jehovah just a "rose by some other name"? Are these all one and the same deity but renamed due to different locations and cultures?

  "Israelites engaged in human sacrifice as late as the time of the prophet Jeremiah, who says: "They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molech, though I never commanded it, nor did it enter my mind." (Jeremiah 32:35)

  Apparently a good deal of confusion existed in the minds of the Israelites concerning the relationship of Yahweh, Moloch, and Chemosh—and concerning what was expected by them from their people."

  (quoted from same source as above)
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  Molech and Jehovah

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on the "word for the day thread" snowbird posted:.

  snowbird: "molech was the god of the children of ammon, chemosh, the children of moab, yhwh, the children of israel.. .

  i did not want to mess up the thread, so i decided to start a new one.

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  The specific characteristics of Chemosh are not clear in many respects.

  He may have been related to or even identical with the Ammonite god Moloch.

  The Moabites, Ammonites, and Israelites were reportedly kinsmen, and the Israelites sometimes worshiped Chemosh, as well as their own national god, Yahweh.

  King Solomon dedicated an altar to Chemosh outside of Jerusalem in honor of his Moabite wife.

  At times, human sacrifice was dedicated to Chemosh, as it was to Molech and occasionally to Yahweh as well.

  http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Chemosh

  Also wouldn't this quote below indicate that Chemosh and Moloch are the same deity?

  "The etymology of "Chemosh" is unknown. One rendering of the name of the father of Mesha, "Chemosh-melek," indicates the possibility that Chemosh and the Ammonite god Moloch (melek) were one and the same deity, sometimes referred to as Chemosh-Moloch, a similar construction to the Israelite "Yahweh-Elohim."
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  Molech and Jehovah

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on the "word for the day thread" snowbird posted:.

  snowbird: "molech was the god of the children of ammon, chemosh, the children of moab, yhwh, the children of israel.. .

  i did not want to mess up the thread, so i decided to start a new one.

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  On the "word for the day thread" Snowbird posted:

  Snowbird: "Molech was the god of the children of Ammon, Chemosh, the children of Moab, YHWH, the children of Israel.

  I did not want to mess up the thread, so I decided to start a new one. If the above is true, then:

  Molech was the god of the children of YHWH?

  Is Jehovah the same as YHWH?

  Would this mean Molech is the same as Jehovah?
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  Acts 10:19, 20 - Destroying the Holy Spirit personification argument

  by GOrwell in

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  this set of scriptures pretty much demolishes "the holy spirit is only god's active force and is only personified throughout the bible" argument (as if the rest book of acts doesn't already).

  these verses pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that argument :.

  acts 10:19,20 - nwt.

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  GOrwell: I mean, really, who is the holy spirit being personified here as? Himself? Someone else?

  It is peter listening to and following his intuition. The Holy Spirit is within you. We should listen to our intuition for guidance.
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  Questions to ask from Bible Teach Ch 8

  by InterestedOne in

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  2. bible

  i'm going to my jw "bible" study tonight.

  we are on chapter 8 and will pick up at par 15. any suggestions for questions to ask?.

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  wannabe: Make the teacher prove the date scripturally, don't accept that because WWI happened in 1914 it backs up JW teaching. JW publications will also quote non-JW sources about how the world changed in 1914.

  The Federal Reserve System began it's operations in 1914 and we have been p*wned ever since. There was a lot of deceit and manipulation involved in getting that off the ground, so surely Satan was in charge and taking hold of everything. Not to mention the war begin a great distraction to get these things in place while people were looking in another direction.
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  seperating anger for WT from my mom

  by dogisgod in

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  i posted this earlier under the bitterness post.

  how do i seperate the anger i have being raised in the borg from my mother who forced it down my throat even after i left.

  she justwouldn't leave it alone.

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  My parents sold me into slavery soon after I was born. They didn't realize what they were doing. They were just going along with tradition and thought they were doing what was best for me. They thought it would give me security and protection. They did get some financial consideration for it, but still they not equate it with really selling me because the "buyers" cloaked the procedure in deception. The people who convinced them to do it spoke in a foreign language that my parents did not understand too well, and my parents were very trusting that this would be in my best interests. They did not know there would be such a trap laid for my life because of it in years to come.

  I am sure it must have been just the same with your mom.
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  Jesus' Physical Resurrection = Take the Ransom Back?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my "study," we have encountered the matter of whether or not jesus' physical body rose from the dead.

  i brought up a couple of scriptures that seem to indicate physical (john 2:18-22 and john 10:17,18).

  the jw's i am "studying" with explained how, although those verses may appear to indicate physical, jesus couldn't have meant that because if he physically rose from the dead, he would have taken back the ransom.. now that i know the wt reasoning on this, can someone point me to another source, link, book, article, etc.

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  Perhaps what Jesus meant by "flesh and blood cannot enter the kindgom" was not a physical thing, but rather a materialistic carnal mindset.

  Perhaps it was meant as a metaphor of the "worldly" man.
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  Assembly Hall In Palm Beach Florida Sign says Christian Assembly Hall of Jehovah's witnesses

  by DeeDubs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i saw this on google when i was looking for a kh plan on visiting family.

  is this new?.

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  cameo-d

  If they use the word "Christian" and the Pope is officially "the vicar (spokesperson) for Christ" then I would assume that the wording on the sign is an admission that they are under the authority of the Pope as are all "Christian" religions.