Posts by cameo-d

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First Kill

by cameo-d in

in genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).

why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?

(genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").

cameo-d

The animal was then killed for the first time.
And it was the beginning of the love of the God shown to them.

The animal was killed for the FIRST time? How many times can you kill something. That is an absurd statement.

Killing is showing love? That's pretty damn absurd, too.

It shows the concept of Genesis 3:21.
http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/pages/zatsugaku/kanji.html

The link you provided is just a bunch of squares on the page.

"god presence within" is new age metaphysical crap. You are trading one lie for another if you believe that concept.

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live with jehovahs day in mind and children

by lancelink in

i was looking over this book today, and ran into an interesting situation.

on this site, and in the news, the comment has been made quite often regarding how children seem to be leaving the organization in droves.

but this book keeps hitting on how adults and kids should put god and his service first, yet their is an undercurrent of desperation .

cameo-d

Later I realized it was because the religion was half-baked.

Hosea 7:8

Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.

Because all these religions are mixed in with the Caananites. They are all half-baked.

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First Kill

by cameo-d in

in genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).

why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?

(genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").

cameo-d

The Book of Enoch says "it was the Nephilim who first began to hurt the animals."

What if this "god" in the garden was not our creator?

Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image"

If this is true, then it would stand to reason that the creation of man was at least a joint effort, if not a team effort.

So why would a single deity take the credit to be worshipped for it?

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First Kill

by cameo-d in

in genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).

why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?

(genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").

cameo-d

There is nothing to indicate there was any death in the garden prior to this implication of using animal skins.

Nothing scriptural whatsoever no matter what kind of stories the WTS makes up about it.

It does seem to be the origins of all this animal sacrifice used in religions.

The belief that blame can be placed on an innocent and "transferred"? This is not even logical reasoning.

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Garden of Eden: A Biosphere Project?

by cameo-d in

though not explicitly stated, there seems to be allusion to a population outside of the garden of eden.

if the words of genesis 1:28 is correct, could this be considered evidence of a prior population?.

genesis 1:28 and god blessed them, and god said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:.

First Kill

by cameo-d in

in genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).

why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?

(genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").

cameo-d

In Genesis 3:7 we are told that Adam and Eve made the first clothing out of plant material.

(though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate)

Why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them? (Genesis 3:21 (Septaugint) says "leather tunics")

Does it make sense that god would be the first murderer?

Was this a "scapegoat" sacrifice intended to transfer the sins of the couple onto the animal? (how logical is that, really?)

Since the garden of eden was a small place, and since each animal had been brought to Adam to be named, it would stand to reason that Adam was somewhat intimate with the animals in this small area. If that is so, then killing one of those animals would be something like killing the family dog. Why does this act of violence make me think of the way human skin was used to create lampshades at one point in history?

Would this killing not have been a horrifying traumatic event to Adam and Eve? To witness the killing of the family dog to punish them, and then to be made to wear it's bloody skin for "atonement"?

If God is such a genius to create the most amazing detail and function of all life on this planet, does it stand to reason that he could not create some sort of protective mantle for the humans without having to resort to the destruction of another life form?

Does the dual nature of god (creation and destruction) seem reconcilable?

How can it be reasoned that this "god" was a benevolent creator?

The Book of Enoch says "it was the Nephilim who first began to hurt the animals."

So what do you all make of this?

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Garden of Eden: A Biosphere Project?

by cameo-d in

though not explicitly stated, there seems to be allusion to a population outside of the garden of eden.

if the words of genesis 1:28 is correct, could this be considered evidence of a prior population?.

genesis 1:28 and god blessed them, and god said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:.

cameo-d

Though not explicitly stated, there seems to be allusion to a population outside of the Garden of Eden. If the words of Genesis 1:28 is correct, could this be considered evidence of a prior population?

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:

According to a compilation of research from archeological findings and carbon dating some hypothesis now state that Neanderthals, Homo-Sapiens and Homo-Erectus most likely all co-existed together in some point and time and that one did not evolve into the other.

Here are some sites of interest:

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient.Civ_Technol/neanderthal.nephilim.C14.html

"A speculative research paper examining current evidence available on Neanderthal man with comparison to references in early manuscripts of the Nephilim an ancient race of half-breed humans. The argument is presented that the scientific facts verify that the Neanderthal were in fact one and the same as the ancient warrior race the Nephilim. It is here proposed that an examination of the evidence and facts currently available on Neanderthal man reveal that they could well have been a race of half-breed humans referred to in some of the earliest manuscripts found as the Nephilim."
Also, another source of info: www.ucglive.com/noah/Binders/NoahsArk/NAS%20Binder%20Early%20Man%20Sci%20Lit%20201.pdf

In the last chapter of Revelation, we are also told that there will exist a population OUTSIDE of the New City:

Revelation 22: 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

So according to this, there will still be a population on the earth which is NOT included in the new city.

My questions:

1. What happened to all the wicked supposedly being removed? Rev.22:15 says there are still wicked vile people on the earth but they are "outside" of the city.

2. Could this be another Biosphere project where the "good servants" are isolated in some manner?

3. Could Garden of Eden have been a biosphere project where variations and improvements were being made on humans?

4. Could the "two trees" in the garden of eden been symbolic language for "family trees" or DNA lineage?

Looking forward to your answers. Thank you

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Is Jehovah just a wicked spirit?

by Rooster in

jw
friends

i think the watchtower bible & trick society's god is just a wicked spirit.

jehovah is not the name of the true god!

cameo-d

In the Quran, Satan is referred to as a jinn or jinni. (The English translation is Genie) The genie is a winged creature with free will and is thought to be a guardian spirit. The root word and its concept of deception or concealment comes from the semitic root JNN. The Arabic Jannah means "Garden of Paradise".

In Northern Eurpose, the unnamed "forbidden fruit" was thought to be an apple because of a misunderstanding of the Latin "malum". When used as an adjective"malum" means evil, but as a noun it means apple.

Bearing this in mind, could it be that the "god" in the garden was actually the jinn?

Scriptures do say that the "god of this world" is Satan. Have people been worshipping the god Satan all this time, and merely giving it the name jehovah? This jehovah god certainly seems to have the attributes of trickery and meanness. This god jehovah clearly states he is a god of war. He rules by fear, jealousy, and annihilation.

Even the Watchtower is guilty of futhering these deceptions by not giving full disclosure of their "unwritten" rules to new studies. Some are even baptised without awareness of certain consequences. A lot of deceptive trickery. Seems to go hand in hand with the jinn.

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Has any one ever asked this question?

by dogon in

correct me if i have this wrong.

jesus suposidly fulfilled the proficey that the meshia was to come from the line of david.

since joseph was the decendent of david and jesus was a "virgin" birth, how could he have fulfilled the proficey?.

cameo-d

but it was being Joseph's adopted son that gave Jesus the legal right to the throne.

That is an absurd statement. (not meant to you personally) Is this what watchtower teaches?

What would give Joseph entitlement to bestow Heavenly rights?

Or if this referred to a claim to ruling lineage...Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world.

So what sense could this possibly make? (again, not referring to you, but to this teaching; this concept of "legal right" )

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Crazy Religion

by cameo-d in

the watchtower religion is based on abraham, is it not?

islam, juadism, and christianity is all based on abraham.

abraham comes from the root word "brahamin" and brahamin is a hindu priest.

cameo-d

hello?