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Acheologists suggest the emergence of the Anasazi peoples to be around 12th century B.C. The word "Anasazi" translates to "enemy ancestors" ("ancient ones" "ancient enemy"). They lived in the area of Arizona and Utah.

Photo by Rupestrian Cyberservices, courtesy of Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

Serpents wearing a horned or plumed cap appear in numerous rock art sites and have been likened to the Mesoamerican deity, Quetzalcoatl.

http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/hueco/images/EP1-C2-plumed-serpent.html

Also, here is a rock etching of the "eye of horus" from this early American civilization.

http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/hueco/images/jor-mask2.html

Evidence shows they were cainabaalstic, too.

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Was Law of Moses really necessary?

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were people really so unfeeling and barbaric that they needed the behavioral laws of moses?.

how do you think our civizalition would be today if we had never had those laws?.

would people be better off to have been left to conscious and peer pressure to guide behavior?.

cameo-d

is the mosaic laws the earliest written laws found policy a large group of people with set consequences for hurting each other etc?

The Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: ??? ????? ??? ??, Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach), often referred to as the Noahide Laws, are a set of seven moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God to Noah as a binding set of laws for all mankind. [1] According to Judaism any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile and is assured of a place in the world to come (Olam Haba), the Jewish concept of heaven. [2] Adherents are often called "B'nei Noah" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides" and may often network in Jewish synagogues.

The Noahide Laws were predated by six laws given to Adam in the Garden of Eden. [4] Later at the Revelation at Sinai the Seven Laws of Noah were regiven to humanity and embedded in the 613 Laws given to the Children of Israel along with the Ten Commandments, which are part of, and not separate from, the 613 mitzvot. These laws are mentioned in the Torah. According to Judaism, the 613 mitzvot or "commandments" given in the written Torah, as well as their reasonings in the oral Torah, were only issued to the Jews and are therefore only binding upon them, having inherited the obligation from their ancestors.

The Talmud states that the instruction to not eat "flesh with the life" was given to Noah, and that Adam and Eve had already received six other commandments. Adam and Eve were not enjoined from eating from a living animal since they were forbidden to eat any animal. The remaining six are exegetically derived from a seemingly superfluous sentence in Gen 2:16 . [8]

what? don't you read wiki?

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what happens after Armageddon?

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didn't jesus say survivors would be "changed in the twinkling of an eye" ?.

didn't jesus say the dead would be resurrected first, before this change occurs?.

didn't jesus say he was going to prepare a place and we would be "taken" there to be with him?.

cameo-d

Those of the 1st resurrection are to rule as kings with Christ, and priests of God

and another thing...why this does not fit.

The scriptures refer to "Bride of Christ". A bride (metaphorically female), would imply submission to Christ, not this co-rule stuff.

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Don't have a cow! Golden Calf II

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ok. here is another question about the golden calf story.. just suppose this is some sort of allegory or symbolic message.

why would they choose a calf as opposed to a bull or a cow?.

a bull, i could understand.

cameo-d

Thanks for the book suggestion Leolia.

I found this interesting tidbit...seems the bull does go a ways back.

This is from the Pyramid Texts (first discovered in 1881).

They are a collection of ancient Egyptian religious texts from the time of the Old Kingdom.

The oldest version consists of 228 spells and comes from the Pyramid of Unas, the last King of the 5th Dynasty.

The cannibal hymn

Utterances 273 and 274 are sometimes known as the "cannibal hymn", because it describes the king hunting and eating parts of the gods: [2]

A god who lives on his fathers,

who feeds on his mothers...

Unas is the bull of heaven

Who rages in his heart,

Who lives on the being of every god,

Who eats their entrails

When they come, their bodies full of magic

From the Isle of Flame...

The cannibal hymn later reappeared in the Coffin Texts as Spell 573. It was dropped by the time the Book of the Dead was being copied.

Wonder if this bull goes all the way back to the Canaanites, as implied by your book title?

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Was Law of Moses really necessary?

by cameo-d in

were people really so unfeeling and barbaric that they needed the behavioral laws of moses?.

how do you think our civizalition would be today if we had never had those laws?.

would people be better off to have been left to conscious and peer pressure to guide behavior?.

cameo-d

Were people really so unfeeling and barbaric that they needed the behavioral laws of Moses?

How do you think our civizalition would be today if we had never had those laws?

Would people be better off to have been left to conscious and peer pressure to guide behavior?

Do you think Moses made up the ~~rules~~ laws as a platform for political control, using God as an excuse for tyranny?

Could mankind live without dominance and rules, or is it part of the herd mentality that makes this necessary?

If we did not have religions, would all people belong to some kind of gang or clan? Or would man have lived with more of a degree of 'separateness'?

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what happens after Armageddon?

by cameo-d in

didn't jesus say survivors would be "changed in the twinkling of an eye" ?.

didn't jesus say the dead would be resurrected first, before this change occurs?.

didn't jesus say he was going to prepare a place and we would be "taken" there to be with him?.

cameo-d

Jesus starts his milennial reign, those safeguarded by the first resurrection are present but the rest of the dead do not come to life until the end of the thousand years. Those of the 1st resurrection are to rule as kings with Christ, and priests of God during the thousand years and are safe from the 'second' death.

Can you simplify this? This sounds rather mind boggling.

When was the first resurrection? Did I miss something?

and those that come to life after the thousand years...why do they have to wait so long? Were they really bad? Or are they priveliged in not having to take part in all the work of the clean up campaign?

"The 1st resurrection are to rule as kings with Christ". Using the word "with" implies to me that they are considered equal with christ. Is this what WT teaches? Or is it from actual scripture?

What is the difference between being a priest or a king. Sounds like the same damn system we got now. Kings=politicians; preists=religions.

My idea of a "paradise" would be NO RULES and no subservience.

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Am I reading this right?

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luke 16.

1jesus told his disciples: "there was a rich man whose manager was accused of wasting his possessions.

2so he called him in and asked him, 'what is this i hear about you?

cameo-d

You need to keep reading. Don't stop at verse 9. Verse 10 and beyond is clear. "...he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much."

Verse 13 "....you cannot serve God and mammon."

I did read the whole thing. Verse 10-13 is in direct conflict with what is said above.

How do you justify this (below)? It is directive. It is also quoted as Jesus speaking. The whole idea of it is filled with selfish motive and deceit. It advocates obligating people so they have to return favors to you. It is a concept of "buying" "friends", too.

Verse 9

9 "I tell you, make friends for yourselves by using the riches of the world that are so often used in wrong ways. So when riches are a thing of the past, friends may receive you into a home that will be forever.

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Looking for "the Cookies"

by cameo-d in

jw
friends

remember the thanksgiving that wasn't really thanksgiving .

i know you are both too smart to really believe this jw stuff.

i know you must be pretending for the sake of parents.

cameo-d

Are you here?

Remember the thanksgiving that wasn't really Thanksgiving even though we had fried turkey and key lime pie and enough food for 10 more people? Before that I had only seen you once, when you both were about 7 years old, and that was only for an hour when we all had dinner in a restaurant. You have never had a chance to know me and it wasn't my fault.

I know you are both too smart to really believe this JW stuff. I know you must be pretending for the sake of parents. From reading this board I realize what a sad situation it must have been for you for years. I never knew this religion was filling your head with so much crap. I wish I had known this long ago so I could have offered you refuge.

Just remember that in my religion (which is none) blood is thicker than water.

I have no way to contact any of you. I don't know where you are now. I am just sending this message out into the universe to tell you I care and think of you.

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Am I reading this right?

by cameo-d in

luke 16.

1jesus told his disciples: "there was a rich man whose manager was accused of wasting his possessions.

2so he called him in and asked him, 'what is this i hear about you?

cameo-d

Luke 16

1 Jesus told his disciples: "There was a rich man whose manager was accused of wasting his possessions. 2 So he called him in and asked him, 'What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your management, because you cannot be manager any longer.'

3 "The manager said to himself, 'What shall I do now? My master is taking away my job. I'm not strong enough to dig, and I'm ashamed to beg— 4 I know what I'll do so that, when I lose my job here, people will welcome me into their houses.'

5 "So he called in each one of his master's debtors. He asked the first, 'How much do you owe my master?'

6 " 'Eight hundred gallons [a] of olive oil,' he replied.
"The manager told him, 'Take your bill, sit down quickly, and make it four hundred.'

7 "Then he asked the second, 'And how much do you owe?'
" 'A thousand bushels [b] of wheat,' he replied.
"He told him, 'Take your bill and make it eight hundred.'

8 "The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. 9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

This is supposed to be a parable told by Jesus. I don't quite understand how this can be a"Christian teaching". This guy is about to get fired, so while the boss is still out, he falsifies the paperwork cancelling debts to get in good with the bossman's debtors. He's looking out for himself so in case he's down and out in the future they will owe him a favor. Then the boss comes in and finds out and praises the crook for being so clever. (normal reaction would be a bop on the head and a lawsuit) And then this verse where it seems that Jesus advocates premeditated ulterior motives. (and justifies it by alluding that the person you are stealing it from was using it in "wrong ways" anyway?)

9 "I tell you, make friends for yourselves by using the riches of the world that are so often used in wrong ways. So when riches are a thing of the past, friends may receive you into a home that will be forever.

Am I reading this right? Can anyone explain to me the sense of this? It doesn't seem to fit with "righteousness".