1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
Really ? "Atheist Nations are more intelligent, educated and happy" ? Really ? Which nations would those BE exactly ? China ? Its an atheist nation that has NO tuition free high school, NO pensions for the elderly and NO disabilty or workers compensation of welfare and enslaves millions to live and sleep in factories so a small Communist select can enrich themselves off the misery of millions, who regularily commit suicide they are such "happy athesits"
Respectfully,
Ismael
1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
"When someone says that "You can share your beliefs as long as you can defend them logically", they're really saying, "We don't have any tolerance for your beliefs." Nobody can prove their position absolutely, so to require someone else to meet your personal standards of proof and to play by your own rules and your own reading of the Bible is to basically say, "Religionists not welcome."" -
I really think that you are mistaken.
The problems begin when people believe more strongly than their own perception of evidential support warrants, or when they believe against what their perception of the evidence weighs in favor of, or when they implicitly or explicitly commit themselves to continue believing even should further evidence counter their belief. (lying)
Faith, is the word believers reach for themselves when they are out of arguments and even insist on believing anyway, or when they try to justify why they believe things that they themselves do not perceive adequate evidence for (intellectual dishonesty).
I have encountered believers on this forum, who debates about beliefs and then outright say that they will not change their minds no matter what evidence or arguments are brought. They are committed in principle to believe their religious beliefs no matter what the evidence says. And even they would like to “reason” with others and insist people have to have an open mind and heart to accept their beliefs. (deceiving)
Take care,
Ismael
when people willfully believe something without evidence, or contrary to evidence, are they neglecting thier moral responsibility?
so many people say faith is a virtue but i just can't comprehend why anyone would think that.
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Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told to do. Faith (religion ) is doing what you are told to do no matter what is right.
So, in short yes faith is immoral.
Ismael
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
"Why do people insist the human body is so perfect?" - HomeMembersHowTheBibleWasCreated
"Take the human form. We eat, drink, and breathe through the same hole in the head, and so, despite Henry J. Heimlich's eponymous maneuver, choking is the fourth leading cause of "unintentional injury death" in the United States. How about drowning, the fifth leading cause? Water coffers almost three-quarters of Earth's surface, yet we are land creatures—submerge your head for just a few minutes, and you die.
Or take our collection of useless body parts. What good is the pinky toe-nail? How about the appendix, which stops functioning after childhood and thereafter serves only as the source of appendicitis? Useful parts, too, can be problematic. I happen to like my knees, but nobody ever accused them of being well protected from bumps and bangs. These days, people with problem knees can get them surgically replaced. As for our pain-prone spine, it may be a while before someone finds a way to swap that out.
How about the silent killers? High blood pressure, colon cancer, and diabetes each cause tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S. every year, but it's possible not to know you're afflicted until your coroner tells you so. Wouldn't it be nice if we had built-in biogauges to warn us of such dangers well in advance? Even cheap cars, after all, have engine gauges.
And what comedian designer configured the region between our legs--an entertainment complex built around a sewage system?" - Neil deGrasse Tyson
i just saw this news piece, http://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-courts/2014/08/25/catholic-workers-ordered-to-attend-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-services#.u_uee_ldv8e.
the ninth u.s. circuit court of appeals has issued a ruling that workers at a home for the disabled must attend a jehovahs witness worship service with patients who wish to attend.. in 2009, california instructed san gabriel/pomona regional center to have staff escort a jehovah's witness patient to services, but two catholic employees objected and sued on the grounds that their faith requires they only attend catholic services.. brad dacus, founder of pacific justice institute, says it's an interesting case.. we have the rights of employees under title 7, which requires reasonable accommodation for the sincerely held religious beliefs of employees, he says.
in this case, arguably that would mean not requiring these particular employees to have to sit in and attend a jehovahs witness church service.. the attorney says employers should do everything they can to meet employees faith needs, but also cannot forget the needs of the disabled in this situation.
It could be interesting. Maybe the watchtower will be required to provide some sort of waiting area for these guys. Like the smoking areas.
Ismael
i wonder about that and have researched it in prior times but i see so many that are falling apart.
thoughts?.
"Do you think an ideal relationship work in these turbulent times?" - Perry
"Define "Ideal". Even nugget and I have our occasional disagreements" -cantleave
I agree with cantleave, while our grandmothers probably prayed that their future husbands would be caring fathers or know how to raise a barn or just be a supernatural hump machine (pausing to let that image sink in), some people are in hopes to be in an "ideal relationship". And while it may sound romantic, in reality trying to find your soul mate can lead to disappointment.
The problem with soul mate relationships is that they never live up to the golden, glowing statue we've built in our heads. While couples are obviously capable of meeting and instantly having an intense connection, eventually problems are going to arise in the relationship, mostly because keeping intensity going for long periods of time is exhausting. It's easy to think, "If we were truly soul mates, we wouldn't have any problems at all. This person is obviously a product of "satan's mocking design." At that point, individuals who believe in soul mates are more likely to check out or think there is no need to work at your relationship.
Do you consider finding that ideal person more important than any other aspect of a relationship, including emotional connection, financial security, and moral stance on beards? (JW joke)
I am not an expert,
Ismael
wt inc./j.w.
are similar to amway,one promosies paradise the other financial freedom.. the top get all the benefits.the r&f do all the work.. amway has rallies/seminars/meeting/etc.. wt inc. has r.c.
(was d.c.)/c.a./tms/etc.. recruitment: amway meet for coffee for a financial discussion only to invite you to a hotel meeting but don't say what it is about.when you get there you say wtf it is an amway meeting.. wt inc/j.w.
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
"Mad, I refer to BIBLICAL faith- hich is based on evidence of things unseen- not CHURCH 'faith' which, as you say, has none. It is only gullibility...
Heb 11:1- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.- KJV" -Doc
That's an argument by assertion, and is another logical fallacy. Asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction, doesn't make it true.
Semantically speaking, there is no difference between simple "faith" and that "blind faith" you just described. Faith is based upon a hope or trust that something is true despite (and often because of) a lack of evidence or proof.
The use of "BIBLICAL faith- hich" doesn't actually change this definition, but instead tries to bring to the fore all the negative connotations of someone believing regardless of what they can see and experience. Because of this, faith becomes absolute, uncritical and unchanging, and therefore the opposite of open minded.
Heb 11:1, is jumping from a building when someone tells you it's on fire, but you don't check to see if there's anyone down there to rescue you. Or if the building's even on fire to begin with.
Heb 11:1, is the sort of thing people who think a smile and a firm handshake qualifies as due diligence promote as a virtue.
Heb 11:1, is believing that two boats and a helicopter don't count as divine intervention. (In Spanish is a very good joke)
Heb 11:1, is relying on the evidence of ... things not observed.
Can you be a little bit more specific?
Respectfully,
Ismael
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
PS: a strawman argument means that you misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack. And is a logical fallacy, It's not an insult or a personal attack.
Ismael
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
"Nothing wrong with having 'faith' in one's own ability- yet to pretend we have made ourselves is tragilarious!"- Doc
"Ishmael- it begins with the evidence (rejected by most) that we have be created rather than just evolved. If you refuse you acknowledge THAT, NOTHING can be proved." - Doc
Your OP didn't required "faith" as a criteria in your method. And as I stated before, faith is trust in an idea, or a belief that is unsupported by evidence or lacks proof. You encouraged using reasoning in your method. You are misleading people that's dishonest. Reason and faith are polar opposites. You gave me a Non sequitur response, the logic is broken. But that is ok, I think that somehow, your rational thinking skills kicked in when you wrote the original OP.
Evidence is an observation, fact or document that tends to make more likely the conclusion which the evidence is offered to prove. Their is sufficient to support evolution as changes in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. What you are giving me for evidence (mistakenly) is a symbolic narrative of the beginning of the world as understood by the Iron Age proto-Judaism tradition. Their are hundreds of them from around the world and different types like, Creation from chaos, Earth diver and your favorite, Ex nihilo (out of nothing).
Will you provide some evidence.
Ismael
