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How do you deal with shunning ?

by man in black in

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my wife and i da'ed ourselves two years ago.

she left because she felt there was no forward momentum in the congregation.. me: because i really started to notice the lack of love and concern amoungst "true christians".

we have gotten to the point now where we will say hello to any jw's we run into, but the total avoidance thing is starting to get somewhat creepy to me.. example : my wife was in target several weeks ago, put her items on the belt and was getting ready to checkout.

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man in black

It's interesting that you say this:

If I had become a murderer, or drug dealer I could possibly understand them

In the last conversation I had with my father 18 months ago when I phoned him with my answer to his ultimatum to go back to JWs or my family would cut me off, I brought up this very issue.

My father is an elder (PO for last few years) and in his congregation there were two 'brothers' in jail, both for manslaughter. One got drunk and stabbed his father in law who died a couple of days later and the other for driving while drunk and killing a bicycle rider. (And this congregation is in a good middle class area where these incidents are not the norm by the way).

Anyway, my father in his role as an elder makes a point of visiting these guys in jail. One is in a prison 2 1/2 hours drive away from my fathers home. So in that last phone conversation, after my father tells me that talking to me is a waste of his valuable time and that as far as my family is concerned I am dead, I asked my father this question:

"Why is it that you will drive for hours to visit a person who has murdered someone and yet you would not drive for 20 minutes to see me and talk about this in person. And why is it that you are going to cut me off when I'm the family member who has done more to help you and the rest of the family when they needed it and has always been there for you no matter what (even after he had an affair years ago while the PO). I said I am living a good, clean life, looking after my family, caring for my elderly mother in law and trying to help others when I can, yet you would rather spend time with criminals."

He replied that the ones in jail had repented and wanted to stay Jehovah's Witnesses, that is the difference between them and me. (He wanted me to go to the elders and confess to apostacy and repent which I refused to do).

I asked why he shows love to these criminals and yet would not show love to me his own daughter (I was 49 at the time).

He said "We don't intend to show you love. We can't show you love the way you are".

And after that lovely, upbuilding, encouraging phone call (which was also full of insults and anger and abuse) from my 'loving' JW elder father I have never seen or heard from any of my family again.

So to answer your original question "How do you deal with shunning?" I'd say at the moment - with difficulty. The pain, injustice, unfairness etc is still quite raw.

It is getting easier though to deal with the shunning by those who I once considered good friends.

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ps - I am not da'd or df'd just faded

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At a loss what to do RE: JW family and my kids

by 2pink in

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i have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).

my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.

we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.

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2pink it's really horrible when your own flesh and blood show loyalty to a cult/publishing company rather than their own family. I know as I personally am experiencing myself, my husband and son being shunned by our JW families. I was told I was satanic, a liar, dead as far as they are concerned etc - all this vile stuff was said to me by my own father in our last phone conversation 18 months ago. And it hurts. However, even though they have cut us off completely my situation is a bit different in that my son is now 20.

So having experienced first hand how our own parents can say such horrible and untrue things about us to our face and no doubt plenty more behind our backs, I personally would be very reluctant to let my very young children be alone with their JW grandparents. It is very possible your children will be told things like "mummy and daddy are going to die at Armageddon", or "mummy and daddy are bad because they don't love Jehovah" etc (I'm sure you get the picture). As your children are very young, being told this kind of stuff can have a real impact on them, both now and in years to come. And that is the last thing you would want now you are out and living a normal family life with your children.

You very much have the right to say that you will be with the children during the visits and that there is to be no JW talk and no running down of you and your husband. After all there has been articles in the Awake magazine quite a few times where grandparents are told they have to respect their childrens right to parent their own children their own way.

Wishing you all the best in this difficult situation

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The Ones Who Walk Away form Omelas, by Ursula Le Guin

by changeling in

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http://www.markaelrod.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/omelas.pdf.

blondie mentioned ursula le guin in other thread and it reminded me of this short story which i dearly love.

i wanted to share it with all of you.

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What a powerful story on so many levels. Thanks for sharing it with us changeling.

There are JWs who are so happy and smug and superior feeling in their make believe world of JWs who can't wait for billions of people to die so that they and a few others can continue living in this little make believe world forever.

Then there are those JWs who find themselves in less than desirable circumstances such as facing a terminal illness or financial ruin who also can't wait for billions of people to die so that they and a few others can be miraculously saved from their problems.

Never stopping to really consider that their kind, caring, community minded non JW next door neighbor is one of the billions they want dead, or that all those beautiful, innocent, happy little children at the local school are among those they can't wait to die.

But some of us are brave enough to walk away from this make believe world of JWs.

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The World Cup Prophet-The famous Octopus & Watchtower

by JustHuman14 in

well as we all now there is a prophet amongst us.

yes i'm talking about the octopus that has prophesied all the football results for the world cup in south africa(we have to wait for the final to see if the prophecy will be fullfiled like the previous ones).. .

after leaving the watchtower, 10 years ago, i finally found something to believe in!!!

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JustHuman14 - what a brilliant idea. Paul the octopus joins the GB!!

By the way I don't know how Paul does it but it's quite amazing.

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"Losing My Religion" Film Project needs help

by Dogpatch in

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passing this on from jim moon:.

subject: exjw documentaryhi everyone!.

one of my exjw friends in los angeles is developing a documentary about the jws entitled "losing my religion" and he asked me to forward information to anyone i thought might be interested in helping out with its development.

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This is just fantastic - it is going to be a wonderful film.

And the Lost and Found organisation for those JWs in transition from the WTS to a normal life sounds great. What a beautiful idea of providing scholarships to help the young people who leave JWs to achieve higher education.

Thank you so much Stephan and your team for your great work.

All the best

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Its the 5th. dont forget to turn in your service time

by elderelite in

just a friendly reminder....

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Designer Stubble said

The FS report is the thermometer for your spiritual health. Nothing else matters.

It's not just the thermometer for your spiritual health, it's the one for who and what you are as a person. As a JW just about everything about you as a person is defined by that number on a slip of paper each month. Sick isn't it.

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The revolving door and the hardcore ones

by dgp in

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i understand that the number of people who join the wt is roughly equal to the number of people who leave.

there's a small difference, overall, but in some countries the number of those leaving might even be slightly above the number of those joining.

and this has been a problem for ever.. i would like some insight into the minds of those who stay in, not because of family reasons, not because of fear, old age, parental control, but because they really believe the scam.

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dgp - I feel that like blondie it is the live forever thing that does it. Not wanting to ever die/fear of death would be a huge factor in many staying. And the 'where else would we go' thing as well.

Hiding Questioner - it's possible tht the stuff appears before your post because you cut and pasted or copied your reponse from a word document. If you do that you will get all that code stuff show up (just quickly go straight back to your reply and click on the edit pencil and delete it). If you use the copy/paste thing in the blue block above the white space where you type your reply (it is a little icon of a clipboard with a W icon in front of it) then you won't get all that code stuff.

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Were you suprised at how little the "world" knows about JW's

by donny in

i was a jehovah's witness for 10 long years and during that time i developed the opinion that most of the world knew what we believed, but chose to ignore it and go about doing their own thing.

then in the almost 18 years i have been out, i have come to understand that the outside world knows very little about jw's.

other than they don't take blood transfusions and do not celebrate holidays, most people have no idea what we believe and only think of them as another offbeat religion among many.. did anyone else think that the jw religion was more known than it actually is?.

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donny I too was surprised how little people I now talk to know about JWs. After being one for over 40 years since young childhood I assumed that most people knew quite a bit about JWs.

But in the last couple of years since fading I have had the opportunity to talk to quite a few people about JWs and apart from knowing that JWs go door to door and the no blood transfusion thing most were shocked to find out the rest, such as the no holiday celebration (a couple knew about xmas but not the rest of the holidays), no voting, no to higher education etc. And all were disgusted to hear about the shunning policy, even of family members such as myself who are not df'd or da'd.

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I need your help for a text

by Motema Bolingo in

i try to find the magazine (probably a wt) where it is clearly written that jehovah's witnesses have to believe the bible as understood by the organization (or something similar).. i am french speaking, but with the english reference, i will be able to find the magazine in my own langage.. thank you in advance for your help.

jacques.

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And another

"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave" Watchtower 1994 October 1 p.8

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Ps - I think these quotes were in an article on the JWfacts website on the Faithful and Discreet Slave - it was one I saved a while ago so I'm not 100% sure.

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I need your help for a text

by Motema Bolingo in

i try to find the magazine (probably a wt) where it is clearly written that jehovah's witnesses have to believe the bible as understood by the organization (or something similar).. i am french speaking, but with the english reference, i will be able to find the magazine in my own langage.. thank you in advance for your help.

jacques.

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I just found this other one.

"We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus' ransom, the difference between God's organization and Satan's, nor why God has permitted wickedness." Watchtower 1990 December 1 p.19

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