Thanks snowbird - I think on the whole us Aussies are a very friendly bunch.
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Thanks snowbird - I think on the whole us Aussies are a very friendly bunch.
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if in the beginning when god (supposedly) created adam & eve, with the prospect of eternal life without sickness etc.
why did he create plants with medicinal values that could treat sickness & ailments?
hope that makes sense.
What a great question Ice cream. I've never thought of that before. But you're right - why would god create herbal medicine if he created a perfect man who would never get sick and need those medicines. It's sort of like a two way bet. Setting things up in case that perfect man failed the all important test that would keep him perfect.
Even thinking the herbal medicines were created as preventative medicines is not logical if man was created perfect/whole/complete unless as John Locke says in his post these perfect humans could get sick and would need medicines. But if this was the case then in my opinion then man couldn't really be called 'perfect'.
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ps - welcome to the forum.
someone sent me this list today so i thought i'd post it here for some light entertainment.
i read through the list nodding my head and saying yes to quite a few of these 'universal truths'.
enjoy.. hopscotch.
Someone sent me this list today so I thought I'd post it here for some light entertainment. I read through the list nodding my head and saying yes to quite a few of these 'universal truths'.
Enjoy.
Hopscotch
Universal Truths
1. Part of a best friend's job should be to immediately clear your computer history if you die.
2. Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
3. I totally take back all those times I didn't want to nap when I was younger.
4. There is great need for a sarcasm font.
5. How the hell are you supposed to fold a fitted sheet?
6. Was learning cursive really necessary?
7. Obituaries would be a lot more interesting if they told you how the person died.
8. I can't remember the last time I wasn't at least kind of tired.
9. Bad decisions make good stories.
10. You never know when it will strike, but there comes a moment at work when you know that you just aren't going to do anything productive for the rest of the day.
11. Can we all just agree to ignore whatever comes after Blue Ray? I don't want to have to restart my collection ... again.
12. I'm always slightly terrified when I exit out of Word and it asks me if I want to save any changes to my ten-page research paper that I swear I did not make any changes to.
13. "Do not machine wash or tumble dry" means I will never wash this - ever.
14. I hate when I just miss a call by the last ring (Hello? Hello? Damn it!), but when I immediately call back, it rings nine times and goes to voicemail. What did you do after I didn't answer? Drop the phone and run away?
15. I hate leaving my house confident and looking good and then not seeing anyone of importance the entire day. What a waste.
16. I keep some people's phone numbers in my phone just so I know not to answer when they call.
17. I think the freezer deserves a light as well.
18. I wish Google Maps had an "Avoid " routing option.
19. Sometimes, I'll watch a movie that I watched when I was younger and suddenly realize I had no idea what the heck was going on when I first saw it.
20. I would rather try to carry 10 plastic grocery bags in each hand than take 2 trips to bring my groceries in.
21. I have a hard time deciphering the fine line between boredom and hunger.
22. How many times is it appropriate to say "What?" before you just nod and smile because you still didn't hear or understand a word they said?
23. I love the sense of camaraderie when an entire line of cars team up to prevent an a ** from cutting in at the front. Stay strong, brothers and sisters!
24. Shirts get dirty. Underwear gets dirty. Pants? Pants never get dirty, and you can wear them forever.
25. Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber & dumber every year?
26. There's no worse feeling than that millisecond you're sure you are going to die after leaning your chair back a little too far.
27. As a driver I hate pedestrians, and as a pedestrian I hate drivers, but no matter what the mode of transportation, I always hate cyclists.
28. Sometimes I'll look down at my watch 3 consecutive times and still not know what time it is.
29. Even under ideal conditions people have trouble locating their car keys in a pocket, finding their cell phone, and Pinning the Tail on the Donkey - but I'd bet my behind everyone can find and push the snooze button from 3 feet away, in about 1.7 seconds, eyes closed, first time, every time!
i am going to put together a page of short experiences of how shunning has affected exjws.
you do not have to be disfellowshipped, even if you were shunned after being marked or after fading.
all comments are welcome, such as who shunned you, how long since family have spoken to you, what your situation is, why you are being shunned and how it has made you feel.
Thank you sweetpea.
What has helped me deal with this awful aftermath caused by us choosing freedom over slavery to the WTS has been the support available here on this board. And knowing there are so many others out there like us who have also been cut off by their families and have gone through the same pain and lonlieness we have, but they have been able to move on and make new friends and a happy life - that gives us hope.
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i am going to put together a page of short experiences of how shunning has affected exjws.
you do not have to be disfellowshipped, even if you were shunned after being marked or after fading.
all comments are welcome, such as who shunned you, how long since family have spoken to you, what your situation is, why you are being shunned and how it has made you feel.
My husband, son and I faded around 4 years ago after 40+ years as JWs. For a couple of years nothing much was said to us by our JW families but they did slowly lessen the contact with us. Then just over 18 months ago my father (PO of his cong) started to really question us as to why we weren't going to meetings anymore. When we mentioned some of the issues we had with the WTS, the 'apostate' word started getting used by him. In December 08 my father visited us, in elder mode (shirt, tie and briefcase) to 'sort things out'. When he left he handed me the following letter from my brother. (I have erased names)
This letter stabbed me to the heart as my brother and I had been very close. I had been giving him and his family a lot of help in many ways including financially, over the last 5 years and now he just coldly totally cuts me off by letter.
On the 16th January last year my father gave me an ultimatum by phone - I had 3 hours to decide whether we were going to return to JWs or my family would cut me off. I rang back and told him we weren't going back and was then subjected to 1/2 hour of abuse, anger, lies etc and he told me I was satanic and as far as my family was concerned I was dead. And I have never seen or heard from them since. I seemed to spend most of last year going through a grieving process as it was if my entire family had been wiped out, but without the support that is usually available to a person when a tragedy literally wipes out their family. The pain is still quite raw and many times I have had dreams where my family wakes up to the lies of the WTS. I have lost my father (my mum died in 2005), my sister and her family (3 children, now young adults) and my brother and his family (2 young children).
I think the most painful thing of all to me is that I am not df'd or da'd so my family have chosen to do this to me. Loyalty to the WTS over family has been ingrained into them very well. My son who is an only child now has no contact with his cousins, not to mention losing all his JW friends. He was in his mid teens when we left and was never baptised yet he has been cut off by all our families as well. He now has no grandparents, uncles, aunts or cousins.
The JW policy of shunning family is a barbaric, evil practice that the WTS needs to be held accountable for.
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lots of witch talk don't know why hahaaha.
some were good.
some were bad.
Samantha from Bewitched
I always wished I could wiggle my nose and make things happen like she did. And so prettily too.
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two stories both true - and worth reading!!!!.
story number one.
many years ago, al capone virtually owned chicago .
wow - that's amazing. Thanks for posting the stories zero.
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funnily enough, i have twice this summer.
seen a young woman who had come to .
the local kh i had attended as a "needs.
wow that is so cool chickpea. Hope you get to meet up with her soon. I can imagine there will be lots of laughs over those two incidents.
All the best
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i had to post this from freeminds, was such a good article lee!.
randy.
http://www.freeminds.org/support/dear-lee/spousal-abuse.html.
Thank you Lee for this very powerful article. I am guessing there are many abusive JW husbands out there who get away with spousal abuse by justifying it as 'headship' and 'wifely subjection'.
I personally know one young girl who married a JW man like this when she was 18. He controls her and their children in every way just like your husband did to you. And he has isolated her from her parents and other family members as well. When her parents have tried to talk to the elders about him, they tell the parents that he and his family are fine examples in the congregation. And on the rare occasion when the girls parents were able to talk to him and their daughter, he has told them that their daughter is now under his headship and they don't have any rights with her or their grandchildren.
I guess to a large extent this feeling of not knowing we can choose kept many of us captives to the WTS. We often look back and ask ourselves why we stayed in as long as we did, why didn't we walk away sooner. Your article goes a long way to helping explain why we didn't.
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ps - Thanks Randy for posting it here
my wife and i da'ed ourselves two years ago.
she left because she felt there was no forward momentum in the congregation.. me: because i really started to notice the lack of love and concern amoungst "true christians".
we have gotten to the point now where we will say hello to any jw's we run into, but the total avoidance thing is starting to get somewhat creepy to me.. example : my wife was in target several weeks ago, put her items on the belt and was getting ready to checkout.