the po comes to see me and talks round the houses trying to find out what my problem is.. so i tell him "look its something i have to sort out for myself and i dont want to destroy your faith and make you start questioning so id rather not tell you".
he already knew cos the first elder went to his house the second he left mine and told him about [what i thought was a private conversation between mates,] my issues.. so he proceeds to tell me a story of a brother he knows who was always very studious and knowledgable about all prophecies and the details of our beliefs.. well the guy suddenly stopped attending meetings last year, dont know why but the po seemed pretty upset about it as he was an old friend.. so he says " i said to him, but john, where will you go now on sunday afternoons,!
and really wary where else will you go?".
I'd laugh but it just makes me angry when I think about it...that this crew takes this scripture and applies it to their "organization"
Where else to go? How bout where the apostles went, to Jesus! Course if you tell them that, they just don't get it
i am now a jedi, so trust me on this.. .
why dis-associate, you are just playing by the wts rules?
how can you dis-associate anyway, you never thought you were baptised as a watchtower society member, you thought your dedication was to god, so why formally disassociate from something you did not formally join?
mkr32208 that is too cool!
who are you fooling
About 7 million Jdubs who take sacrifice their thinking ability and freedom and would rather be told by "Gods appointed channel" what to do with their lives, even when it comes to making a life or death decision.
Seriously, your point is well taken and correct. While dubs are generally unwilling to consider WT history, as it doesn't apply now in their minds, this is the single most dangerous Jdub teaching. Even worse, most Dubs are so asleep at the switch, they generally will refuse the fractions too because they haven't educated themselves
i just finished reading "captives of a concept" i thought it was a terrific book.
has any one had any success studying the history with a jw?.
I love "Captive of a Concept" It seemed to have even more of an impact on me that CoC. Unfortunately, it deals with pure logic, somthing the average dub cant/wont do until he has a reason to. I thinks what is great about it is that even if you accept the whole 607-1914 timeline, AND the whole "satan got thrown out of heaven to the earth" idea, you still have a group claims an appointment based on their horrific track record. Oh, and that they also didn't even recognize the so-called appointment until decades after it supposedly took place.
I think it really hit home with me because I think I've seen 1919 referenced at least a dozen times in WT and other literature in the last two years alone.
this video on youtube is pretty interesting.
the part i'm referring to is right at minute 9, where he calls out the "ants printing the watchtower" and says they never should have been dealing with generation.
so why do they keep talking about it?.
This video on Youtube is pretty interesting. The part I'm referring to is right at minute 9, where he calls out the "Ants printing the Watchtower" and says they never should have been dealing with Generation. So why do they keep talking about it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwA9KX5WJTM&eurl=http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/salvation.htm
the borg has simultaneously used several lines of reasoning in conjunction with one another to argue that we are "in the last days" period of time.
the sequence of events is supposed to be: "the last days," armageddon, and then immediately christ's millenial reign (1000 years).. as i recall one of the pieces of evidence the borg used to bolster the argument for armageddon coming in 1975 was that the period of the 7 creative days was supposed to end up spanning 49,000 years.. according to the "paradise" book and other 50s and 60s publications the 7 creative days started after the earth had been here for a very long time.
each of the 7 creative days was supposed to be 7,000 years long.. god created adam & eve at the very end of the 6th creative day.
Thats the cool thing about running your own cult...you can just make up the rules as you go! You don't have to explain your past failures because you are God's spokesman. You might lose a few people along the way, but you just pick up new recruits and keep on truckin'
That Jehovah handed over the reigns to Jesus, who then had a "war" in heaven with Satan. It took a while for Jesus to win. Finally, he won and sent Satan and his crew to the earth. Then Jesus decided to kick back and have a few cold ones (95+ years and counting) so as to let Satan and his demons wreak havoc on all of humanity.
Oh, and that Jesus picked an obscure group of professed Christians very early on during this process and continued to allow them to proclaim false dates for Armageddon, all the while approving of their form of worship while planning on how to exterminate the other 7 billion heathens here on earth.
jehovah`s witness`s buy wbt$ literature..lots of it!
!..jehovah`s witness`s "excessively buy" wbt$ literature!
!..the more wbt$ literature you buy,the better jehovah`s witness you are!
the trash is the easy answer. In actuallity, I keep finding it in my garage, my basement, my closet, and in my bookshelves. Actually dumped a bunch of bound volumes a few years back, those take up tons of space. Inherited a ton of 50's to 70's literature about 15 years ago, and still haven't been able to shake it. Keeps following me from house to house.
I like it, of course it doesn't have the traffic and personality thats here. Was good for a lot of us noobs who couldn't get in the door here.
But I have to admit I haven't even been there since I got in the door here!
so i'm daydreaming through the service meeting last night, (the end of the "supermeeting") and the ms is giving a part on always being ready to defend our faith.
blah blah blah.....you know the drill.
so he invites up a brother to do the demo part.
Dismayed, was the brother/sister in that skit witnesses during 1975?
The MS played the part of the Dub. He's young, probably not even born yet in 75
He may have been doing that deliberately after learning the truth about what was said about 1975, and trying to alert others to the fact. If not, he may just be completely clueless.
Now thats a possibility! Maybe I have a secret aposta-friend right here at home!
