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  One of the Governing Body had a stroke yesterday

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  on may 19th, theodore jaracz had a stroke.

  he's in very serious condition in the hospital.. that's all the information i have for now.. barb.

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  winstonchurchill

  Barbara, you just earned an(other) amdirer!

  While I understand the feelings behind some comments, I see that some people here get easily carried away and start acting in the way they so much critize the WTS for acting.

  For nearly two decades, as an elder, temporarily at Bethel, as a Traveling Overseer, I saw many times -almost all of the time- the WTS taking care of people, myself and my family. Even after we had to leave the circuit work, and go to a 'normal life' (not in the 'full time service' at all), they had an extremely generous gesture and gave us practical ($) help when our family faced an adversity.

  Yes, I also know (and have seen) stories of people treated not so fairly in my view. As an active witness an elder, I am at the point where "I have come to doubt / all that I once held as true" (with regards to Paul Simon). But I refuse to oscillate to the other end and become a JW hater. I admire people like you, who take a stance but keep balance. Believe me, an objective critic is a rare gem.
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  Who was the guy...

  by jamiebowers in

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  that was the first non-anointed one to be put in charge of one of the wt's corporations, and what was he in charge of?.

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  Max Larson, who was factory overseer for decades was made president of WTB&S of New York in 2000, I think that at the same time Don Adams was made President of the WTB&TS of Penn
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  Mouthy's Birthday Coming Up

  by Outaservice in

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  be sure to wish our dear friend, 'mouthy' a big happy birthday this friday, may 22nd!

  wishing you many more, and wish we could .

  outaservice.

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  winstonchurchill

  A birthday?

  Who are we going to behead?
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  Is there a GROWING AWARENESS among Jehovah's Witnesses that SOMETHING is REALLY WRONG with the Organization?

  by BonaFide in

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  i hope i can explain this clearly.

  years ago, we all knew what a child molester was.

  but there were a lot of misconceptions, mishandled situations in and out of the congregations, and just a general non-awareness of the seriousness and pervasiveness of pedophiles.. not anymore.

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  To directly answer that question, I'd have to say 'yes'. More and more you can feel some discomfort within the org. As soemone pointed out, the mere existence and support to sites like this one, the quality of the participants in the forum, in which ex or current insiders are more than a few; how elders and CO's drop personal views here and there, questioning current doctrine... yes, definetly things have changed.

  That being said, I have to admit that is a slow growth. I will also go with the 95% figure Jeff gave, and would even be less optimistic. Why? Well maybe in U.S., Britain, Germnay, Spain, etc. there a considerable proportion of those who actually think and become critical of the org. But don't forget that a very big chunk of JW's are meddling in third world countries, with little access to internet and many sources of information. So the porportion of Kool-Aid drinkers there could be close to 99.99%, thus offsetting the porportion in more 'advanced' countries.
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  Oral sex and pedophiles

  by verystupid77 in

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  i have a question.

  why dose it take two witnesses if a child says someone molested them.. but with oral sex it only takes the one spouse to get the other mate in trouble.

  why the difference.

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  If your spouse takes you before three men to acusse you and disclose your sexual activities, you have bigger fish to fry!

  Of course, I agree that under such circumstance I wouldn't admit to anything, not for hiding anything, but because it's none of their business.
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  Excuse me, but this is sickening (DA Contributions)

  by winstonchurchill in

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  a letter from the wts was just read to our congregation: during upcoming district assemblies, there will be credit card terminal available so people can donate using their credit/debit cards.. maybe it's old news, but i just found out last monday, and i find it terribly disturbing.

  the wts/jw's is becoming more and more mainstream, not different at all form those churches that are only after your money... oh, wait!

  maybe tey are only after our money.. .

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  Thanks, WidwichCuckoo.

  I'm speechless... I had never seen that website. Very upseting!
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  Excuse me, but this is sickening (DA Contributions)

  by winstonchurchill in

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  a letter from the wts was just read to our congregation: during upcoming district assemblies, there will be credit card terminal available so people can donate using their credit/debit cards.. maybe it's old news, but i just found out last monday, and i find it terribly disturbing.

  the wts/jw's is becoming more and more mainstream, not different at all form those churches that are only after your money... oh, wait!

  maybe tey are only after our money.. .

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  winstonchurchill

  A letter from the WTS was just read to our congregation: During upcoming District Assemblies, there will be Credit Card terminal available so people can donate using their Credit/Debit Cards.

  Maybe it's old news, but I just found out last monday, and I find it terribly disturbing. The WTS/JW's is becoming more and more mainstream, not different at all form those churches that are only after your money... Oh, wait! Maybe tey are only after our money.

  Man, things must be really bad financially for WTS.
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  Who is going to the District Assembly this year?

  by asilentone in

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  i do not think i will be there!

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  Gotta go. I have a talk. Was planning on going weekend only, but they assigned me a talk friday morning.

  But I told my wife I'm not eating sandwichs. I'll go out to eat, even if it's against the 'slave's' instructions. They make everybody eat crappy food while standing or in the auditorium seats, while the CO's, DO's wives and all the 'important' ones eat at their very comfortable apartments within the Assembly hall.

  It's a yearly nightmare with three kids.
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  Illegals not allowed positions of responsibility?

  by ElderEtta in

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  winstonchurchill

  Well, I have to disgree here. There's enough real hypocrisy in the JW's organization, so don't start seeing ghosts.

  1. Name ONE church that turns in illegal aliens to Law enforcement . Are you guys for turning us in a society of tattle-tales? If you hire a guy to do your lanscaping and you find out he's illegal, will you call the cops? You'd probaly at most dismiss him, or more probably, just not hire him again. Excuse me, but most of what has been posted here is nonsense.

  2. Being subjet to civil goverments (Rom. 13) does not mean acting as law enoforcement agents. In the letter to Philemon, Paul talks about an escaped slave (a fairly serious crime in acient Rome). You can say that it was similar to being an illegal alien. Paul didn't turn him to authorities. He didn't have to; he wasn't part of the 'arm of law'

  3. Baptims is a religious act, and there are no legal requirements. Stop mixing both concepts. By that token no church should baptize those who drive without a license, build a fence without a city permit, and so on.

  4. The current JW's rule is that an illegal alien cannot hold congregation backed responsabilities; however, if they have come before CIS (formerly INS) to straighten their status and their case is assigned a number (thus showing that it will be considered), they can hold a named position, as they are not fugitives. If their case is denied by CIS, and their illegal status becomes permanent and without perspectives, they either lose their privileges (and proably get deported).

  I disagree with a lot of stuff within the JW's and especially the WTS. But I really don't like this paranoia, where some members of this forum will practically denounce JW's for breathing.
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  elder

  by Derde in

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  2. bible

  how many a minimum should be years to serve as the elder?.

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  Offcial rule for age is 25 Year old for Elder, 18 Years old for MS. You won't find it in writing, but it is there, on branch 'secret' manuals.

  They make exceptions, like if the man is turning 25 in a few months (2 or 3). No expections with 18 for MS.

  To be a MS you must have been baptised for over a year; thereafter, two years as a MS before being named elder.

  If DF'd and reinstated, 5 years wait (and normally will be a MS first);

  If reproved, Three years wait (and normally would be requested to be a MS for a while first.