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  The Secret Pioneer School Manual

  by WuzLovesDubs in

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  i saw one up close and personal because the jw annointed sister who was studying with me, told me that if i looked up every scripture in her (illegally gotten before the school started) pioneer school book and cut it out of old green nwts and pasted them in the margins, it would make her a stronger pioneer and jehovah would reward me.

  and in the process i would learn where things were in the bible.. gosh what an incredible honor i was blessed with!

  you know i did it..i didnt know a damn thing.

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  I have my book from the Pioneer School I attended about 6 or 7 years ago. The school was very long and boring (missed out on 2 weeks work), and the book was nothing special.

  The one positive thing that came from Pioneer School: this was when I finally realized that the WTS teaches that only baptized JWs in good standing and their children will survive Armageddon. I've always suspected this, but like most JWs I didn't want to believe it. My doubts started at this point so some good came from Pioneer School.

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  Long time lurker, 1st time poster

  by Mattieu in

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  well where do i start, perhaps will go into more detail later, though briefly - 40 years young, raised in the truth (kingdom baby, which meant i was never going to make it to primary/secondary school/work/get married/have kids....) former ms, regular pioneer, learnt 3 foreign languages, served in foreign language group, married (wife still goes to meetings), beautiful kids, baptised at 15 years of age, regular pioneer at 15, grew up in divided house.. .

  hmmm, will go into my issues with all things organisational later, though firstly want to apologise, for being a self righteous spiritual pratt who did things by the book and sat with other elders/mss and prejudged others for not doing enough and having a wrong attitude about all matters spiritual and organisational.

  i stepped down as an ms over a year ago (they were grooming me to be an elder), havent been to a meeting in 3 months, i knew it wasnt the truth for a number of years and have struggled badly the last few years.

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  SuspiciousMinds

  Welcome! I look forward to more insightful posts from you.
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  How many visit here that are non-members? (lurkers)...we have many newbies

  by oompa in

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  2. friends

  is there a way to know in any given period of time, like a month or year, how many visit jwd/jwn that are non-members.

  so many of the newbies mention they have been "long time lookers"...... that i am now curious.

  i can understand why early doubting dubs are prob scared to death at first, since any non-jw material is so taboo...they prob just take a quick peek....then another....then really start reading and looking back on on threads..............oomps.

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  SuspiciousMinds

  I have spent countless hours on this site since last summer. There have always been things I thought were not right, but when I got home from the DC, these things seemed to all of a sudden add up and set off alarms. I did some research and arrived here pretty quickly. By the time I felt comfortable enough to register the site was no longer accepting new people. But here I am now!

  Thanks to Simon for keeping the board open! This site has been invaluable to me.

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  Why no earthly hope for those in 1st Century and onward???

  by oompa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thinking about this paradise thingy lately, possibly due to a@g's video.

  just because wt figures out there is both a earthly hope in addition to a heavenly hope around 1936 i guess, how did they come up with the idea that all christians prior to that date were all heavenly?

  there was no big date prophesied like 1914 regarding 1936, so how did they decide the number 144k were sealed then, and that everyone from then on will be stuck on earth?.

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  These are good points. I can't believe I never realized when I was in how many assumptions the WTS makes to support their doctrines.

  One thing that really bothers me is how the WTS can make changes to their doctrines and interpretations and JWs hardly seem to notice. But I would love to be there for the WT study when the "new light" is revealed that the 144,000 is not literal, but is a symbolic number after all! I think that would be one of the few "corrections" that would actually get the drones' attention.

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  If JWs would stop shunning - how many do you think would disappear

  by Albert Einstein in

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  2. beliefs

  if jws would stop shunning - how many do you think would disappear from meetings in 1 year?.

  my guess: 30%.

  albert.

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  It's very hard to say. I know I would be one of those who would leave in an instant if the shunning tactics were not enforced. Who knows how many others only stay in to maintain contact with their family and/or friends? It's not exactly something you share with others in your congregation.

  Based on my observations with peers I have grown up with and the apathetic attitude in my congo, 30% just might be accurate. Those who are semi-regular at meetings and in service and who rarely comment would be good candidates.

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  I am so sick of hearing the word "soon."

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  the use of the word "soon" at the kh is used so much by jw's.

  that it has almost turned into a "soon" doctrine.. i counted the word soon 15 times at the meeting yesterday during the.

  public talk and wt.

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  You're absolutely right! "Soon" has got to be the most over used non-theocratic word in JWS literature and meetings. This fun new exercise gives me something to look forward to next meeting. And people will think I'm taking notes - they'll be shocked! I just attended our SAD, I wish I had this idea then!

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  I called my mom.

  by lisavegas420 in

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  after more than 20yrs without a relationship....after more than 5yrs without hearing a word from her, i called.. out of the blue, i just called.. me: hi, mom, it's me lisa.

  mom: oh, hi.. me: well, it's been a long time, i just wanted to check and see how you and dad were.. mom: we're fine.. the conversation ranged from, the weather, my husband, my children and grandchildren, (whom she's never met) my animals, gardening.

  we talked about how dad was doing now, (after a stroke) how he walks with a cane, and uses an electric wheel chair when they go to walmart.

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  Good for you for calling, Lisa. That must be so hard for you.

  I'd like to break free from the WTS, but I know my parents would treat me the same way, and I don't know if I could handle it.

  "...having no natural affection..." - but of course this is only something displayed by "worldly" people...

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  Was NOAH excited to see dead bodies all over??

  by african GB Member in

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  2. experiences

  did it give him happiness to see all those bodies of "worldly" people lying all over?.

  did it show him how loving jehovah is?.

  african gb member.

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  I'm not sure about Noah, but I know plenty of jws who are looking forward to seeing birds eat the flesh of their neighbors, co-workers, relatives etc... Every time that scripture in Revelation is read and seeing everybody nodding I feel like puking...

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  Stupid Memorial

  by PanzerZauberei in

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  well, i am gonna have to go again because my wife wants to go this year.

  she missed last year because she was sick and was so depressed about it for a month after because of the guilt her stupid family laid upon my poor darling.

  last night she was visiting her dad (the only one who didn't guilt her) and he asked if she was going to go this year.

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  Unfortunately, I will be there. Outside of my wife, nobody knows about my feelings towards the WTS. If my family or my wife's family heard that I didn't attend, it would get ugly very quickly. So I will go this year, hopefully this time next year I won't have to...
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  New Video: Is "paradise earth" a Bible teaching?

  by Awakened at Gilead in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jehovah's witnesses proclaim god's purpose to bring a paradise earth that will rid mankind of all of its problems.

  sounds great, right?

  the only problem is that it's not based on the bible.

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  SuspiciousMinds

  Hey Lance,

  Great video! I've been watching your videos for some time now. You and AllTimeJeff are like celebrities to me!

  Just one note - the verse where Jesus says "You will be with me in Paradise" is actually found at Luke 23:43.