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  Thinking of going back

  by Laika in

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  someone talk some sense into me ffs..

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  trebor

  Conditional friendship based on the allegiance to a man-made organization is not a real or healthy friendship.

  If dishonesty drives you mad, you will be lying to yourself thinking you have real friends by making 'insta-friends' via Watchtower (or is it JW.ORG) membership.

  Laika, glad to read you just needed a thread to validated your choices.

  My mother, brother, sisters, their significant others as well as most of my extended family have not spoken to me or my wife and have never met or asked about my almost 3 year old son, or pup since leaving the Watchtower Bible Tract Soceity over five and half years ago. I obviously lost most of my family and all my friends after being a part since birth and for decades.

  Yet, I would never-ever, consider being a part of Jehovah's Witnesses again. My ethics and morales would not allow me to stoop so low and be a part of their hypocrisy and blood-guilt:

  -How many children have died from the no blood Watchtower stance?

  -How long were women told they are worthy of ever-lasting destruction and fornicators if they did not cry out when being raped?

  -How many years was accepting organ transplants equal to being cannibalistic?

  -How many were told not to pursue a career in this dying 'system of things' nearly half a century ago?

  -How many people died in Africa for refusal of a political card, while men in Mexico were giving the ok?

  -How many were disfellowshipped for not toeing the line, while the Watchtower Society was a NGO member of the United Nations, riding the 'Wild Beast'?

  That's just the tip of the iceberg. Ignoring the above to have a conditional, turn on you faster than a flip of a switch, "friend" or "friends" is not worth it in any shape or form.
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  Anyone Celebrating Halloween this Year???

  by cognac in

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  i started yesterday.

  took the kids (they were both princesses) and my nephew to 3 different events.

  got tons of candy and the kids had a blast.. .

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  trebor

  Stand for Pure Worship, it is amazing how the Watchtower will take a stand on how bad the origins are for some things, while others...

  http://savedfromthewatchtower.blogspot.com/2009/06/pinatas-harmless-fun.html

  ...it's just "harmless fun". There is always an angle of why the Society is down playing or making a big stink about something.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are instructed through the Awake! to view pinatas the following way from September 22, 2003, Awake!, page 24, 'The Piñata - An Ancient Tradition':

  "We found that for many people in Mexico, the piñata has lost its religious significance and is considered by most to be just harmless fun...A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues."

  Despite the above from Jehovah's organization, Piñatas are steeped with both pagan and religious ties. Why and how are Piñatas "harmless fun", but Halloween is unacceptable for Jehovah's Witnesses?
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  My wife and thanksgiving

  by DS211 in

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  so my wife and i chatted about thanksgiving last night and decided were going to celebrate it.

  she was reluctant at first but i then brought out that according to the bible that we shouldnt judge nor be judged on celebrating a festival because we are also still giving thanks to god for the life we have.

  i know many witnesses are on the fence on whether thanksgiving is politicak or pagan or whatever, but its no e of those.

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  trebor

  Romans 14:5,6
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  Did Jehovah's Witnesses Plagiarize HWA's False Prophecy Of 1975?

  by Bangalore in

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  2. bible

  did jehovah's witnesses plagiarize hwa's false prophecy of 1975?.

  http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2013/10/did-jehovahs-witnesses-plagiarize-hwas.html.

  bangalore.

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  trebor

  Awake! October 18, 1966 page 19:

  "In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975."

  Our Kingdom Ministry March 1968 page 4:

  "Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out..."

  Watchtower August 15, 1968 bound volume page 499:

  "Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly…It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years."

  Our Kingdom Ministry June 1969 page 3:

  "…in view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous....Many young brothers and sisters were offered scholarship or employment that promised fine pay. However, they turned them down and put spiritual interests first."

  Watchtower, October 15, 1969 bound volume page 623:

  "More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind’s life on earth would end in the mid seventies. Thus the seventh millennium from man’s creation by Jehovah God would begin within less than ten years...Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind’s enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for his human creatures? Yes, Indeed!"

  Our Kingdom Ministry page 3 May 1974:

  "Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

  The Truth Book, primary study aid for Jehovah’s Witnesses to use with Bible Students published prior to the year 1975 reads as follows on page 9 under ‘Grand Blessings from God Near at Hand!’:

  “Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what is going on to assure you that, in fifteen years from today, this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  The Truth book published after 1975 changed the wording to remove the 1960/15 year reference.

  The Watchtower Society knew exactly what they were doing and most certainly supported and promoted 1975 as being 'the end'.
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  Interesting movie trivia fact about new WT Headquarters location

  by WingCommander in

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  here is a weird fact: as i was watching the official wt video about the new headquarters project (can be seen on jw.org), i recognized the building they were tearing down, the front shot of it.

  because this building was used exclusively in the 1986 movie, "the manhattan project".

  it's kind of a cult-classic favourite movie from my youth that i still watch.

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  trebor

  "I was also disgusted by the fact that they were claiming God Himself was directing them to move, POSITIVE he told them to move."

  I saw that in the video too. Funny, as it seems a lot changed in the year, or perhaps God is only speaking to some members of the Watchtower's governing body...

  "Although we are not yet certain of Jehovah’s will regarding Warwick...We are proceeding to develop the site with the intention of relocating the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses there."
  [Governing Body member, Guy H. Pierce - Watchtower, August 15, 2012, page 17]
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  1st Time in 3 Years JW's call at our Door - Two 30 yr. long Time JW's

  by flipper in

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  i thought i was back on the jw radar after my jw daughter had a local elder call on me back in 2011 - but apparently not.

  he obviously didn't let his elders know i lived here, no record was kept for posterity and just called my daughter telling her that her " dad has differences with the organization " because he never called back on me as he promised to talk again.

  as i'm just inactive for 10 years.. so these two older jw ladys come knocking yesterday - one lady about 57 and the other lady older about 71 yrs.old ( i asked how long they had been jw's and told me they both have been in 30 years.

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  trebor

  Flipper, you handled that extremely well. Hopefully, you gave them food for thought. Even if they are beyond thinking outside of the Watchtower, if they happen to even whisper anything that you shared to another, you never know the positive impact it may have to help someone out of the Society.
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  Gran is dying.

  by LouBelle in

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  my dear granny hasn't been feeling well for some time and has had a problem keeping anything down.

  she had lost a lot of weight and gone for many tests.

  those tests came back and on friday we were told she has cancer of the pancreas.

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  trebor

  Sorry about what is happening to your granny. I hope you find and have strength at this time. I am sure you are a wonderful granddaughter, and she is grateful and very happy to have you in her life.
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  The Jehovah's Witness religion has gone for good !!!

  by snare&racket in

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  i am not sure how you all feel as we all left at different times for different reasons.... but this new bible seems to have put some final nails into a coffin that was once my jw life.

  the religion is so far and so different to the religion i grew up in that it has become something i feel no affiliation with anymore, no bond, no shared ideas or even sentimental views.

  different teachings on when the end is coming.

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  trebor

  snare&racket, that was excellent...thank you for sharing it.
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  1975 - The Killer WT quote

  by tim hooper in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing is absolutely certain, bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of mans existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation!

  (matt.

  24:34) this is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent.

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  trebor

  Absolutely, the Watchtower Society more than alluded to 1975...

  Awake! From October 18, 1966 on page 19 states:
  
  "In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975."
  
  Our Kingdom Ministry from March 1968 on page 4 states:
  
  "Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out..."
  
  
  The Watchtower from August 15, 1968 states in the bound volume on page 499:
  
  "Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly…It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years."
  
  
  Our Kingdom Ministry from June 1969 on page 3 states the following:
  
  "…in view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous....Many young brothers and sisters were offered scholarship or employment that promised fine pay. However, they turned them down and put spiritual interests first."
  
  The Watchtower, October 15, 1969 when researched in the bound volume found on page 623:
  
  "More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind’s life on earth would end in the mid seventies. Thus the seventh millennium from man’s creation by Jehovah God would begin within less than ten years...Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind’s enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for his human creatures? Yes, Indeed!"

  Our Kingdom Ministry on page 3 in the May 1974 edition states:
  
  "Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."
  
  http://savedfromthewatchtower.blogspot.com/2008/11/false-prophets-part-i-1975.html
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  Gorby's father collapses at home after new light watchtower study

  by Gorbatchov in

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  friends,.

  sunday my father, a strong believing witness, former elder and still a ms, collapses at home after the new light watchtower study.. the cause was extreme stress.

  i asked him about his worries.

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  trebor

  Sorry about your father, Gorby. You're a wonderful son for being there for him.