Posts by gubberningbody

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You know, when you really "Make the Truth your own" it changes everything

by gubberningbody in

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you own it.. that is to say, you are the one who decides what is right and what is wrong.. now it's odd to realize that the so-called father of faith, abraham "made the truth his own" in condemning what he thought this being was planning on doing to the residents of sodom (including his own self-absorbed whiney nephew lot) with the words "is the judge of all the earth not going to do what is right?

" are words which meditating on would eventually lead me to condemn all religion including any being which may or may not be behind it all.. .

because in "making the truth my own" i learned to reject power as the basis for moral authority, and this power necessarily included intelligence.

gubberningbody

You own it.

That is to say, YOU are the one who decides what is right and what is wrong.

Now it's odd to realize that the so-called father of faith, Abraham "made the truth his own" in condemning what he thought this BEING was planning on doing to the residents of Sodom (including his own self-absorbed whiney nephew Lot) with the words "is the judge of all the earth not going to do what is right?" are words which meditating on would eventually lead me to condemn all religion including any BEING which may or may not be behind it all.

Why?

Because in "making the Truth my own" I learned to reject power as the basis for moral authority, and this power necessarily included intelligence. Being intelligent doesn't make one "morally upright" and now I know this is because the measuring rod for morality is inescapably in my own hands as it has always been.

It was only through self deception that I was led to believe that I had faith in a morality which extended beyond me, or that this morality had any meaning at all for me.

It can't because I have to be the judge, and right now, after reading everything I can get my hands on in the way of any deity-based and non-deity based explanations for the state of the world I'm left with a negative judgement of this BEING if it even exists.

I can't even make up a scenario that would allow me to create a universe like the one we live in predicated as it is on carnivorous behavior and this even at the level of bacteria. What does it matter if violence is done if it is done even at the cellular level?

Life eating and ending life in order to live seems an indefensible moral choice to make if one were capable of choosing otherwise if one just happened to be a BEING powerful enough to do so.

This makes me look askance in a very moral way at deity-based systems as a system based upon a moral monstrosity and those adherents as morally perverted, albeit like me without knowing they are.

It's a terrible, terrible thing which has been done here it seems to me and the only thing I can continue to do is try to understand how this thing came to be.

And, while I was engaging in the necessary futility of thinking about all this I was also brooding on my own fate and I wrote this ...

Psychological sadness of getting older
Knowing too much and yet not enough
Seeing others lose their way
Seeing others pass
Seeing the hope in others die
Seeing your own hope die
Watching others die
Looking backwards like you used to look forwards
Farther and farther into the past
Afraid to look forward, it's too close and black
Lost pets, lost friends, lost family and lovers
Lovers grown old
No one left to share with
Realizing what others before you realized
Screaming out to the young, but your muffled voice
Just doesn't come through
It's still me!
It's still me!
I'm still here!
And everything goes on
Without you while you're still here
A little oblivion wouldn't hurt, you think
A little forgetfulness
A little preoccupation
A little bit of quiet
And time
Just runs
Out

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One Silly Little Comma = WT Idiocy

by Farkel in

one would think that the god of gods, the creator of everything who wanted to give we puny little humans a handbook for salvation(tm), would make sure that handbook remained authentic.. one who thinks that way would be wrong.. since punctuation is critical to convey exact meanings, i find it strange that the god of gods would pick a written language for his handbook that has no punctuation!

oh, wait!

he also picked another language for that book that had no written vowels!

gubberningbody

One place that NEEDS a t least a THOUGHT comma is here:

Mt 25:40 - "Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me."

In my view he was not speaking of

"the least of these my brothers" here with the "the least of these my brothers" as those treated well being his brothers so that one would have to

make a distinction when helping anyone who was naked, sick or in prison as to those in that condition who were "his brothers" and those who were in that condition who were not.

Clearly Jesus, like his father made it "rain on the just and unjust alike" and that we ought be "conquering the evil with the good" without "partial distinctions".

This so the address suffix "my brothers" is a favorable judgement, namely that the good behavior he found in them qualified them to be considered "his brothers". (POST Armageddon)

The unrighteous were not answered in the same way...they were answered with at

Mt 25:45 - "Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me."

Compare them side by side:

Mt 25:45 - "Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me."

Mt 25:40 - "Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me."

"...my brothers" is left off when speaking to the unrighteous.

To me, this in connection with the scripture at :

Mt 19:28-29

28 Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to ? YOU , In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, ? YOU ? who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone that has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive many times more and will inherit everlasting life.

"the re-creation" is when "the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne"

(This is POST Armageddon)

Mt 25:31 Indicates that this is that same time...

31 “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.

Dan. 12:1 Indicates that Jesus/Michael stands up BEFORE Armageddon.

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1 “And during that time Mi′cha?el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book.

Therefore so these "brothers" are identified AFTER ARMAGEDDON by their previous good conduct. NOT any profession.

The so-called "Faithful and Discreet Slave" is not a class, but an illustration told to get those listening to ask themselves individually "Am I a faithful and wise servant of my master?"

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Building Your Faith Upon the Sand...?

by tec in

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peace to you all!.

i sometimes find that i empathise with paul.

with how frightened/concerned he might have been when he started out (and perhaps always), that he would do or say something wrong.

gubberningbody

What was Enlil thinking?

And why circumcision? Was that just so much Anunaki "cattle-branding"?

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You know when they said you should wait 2 years before you witness to anyone?

by gubberningbody in

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(at least i heard that from a lot when i came in, though only in jest).

i think it's true for those who leave.. you need time to be with your own thoughts, time to heal before you try to talk to anyone.. .

if you don't, you'll just confirm what's on the minds of those who fear where you've gone.. .

gubberningbody

(At least I heard that from a lot when I came in, though only in jest)

I think it's true for those who leave.

You need time to be with your own thoughts, time to heal before you try to talk to anyone.

If you don't, you'll just confirm what's on the minds of those who fear where you've gone.

Of course, in the long run none of this matters except that you retain your own integrity.

You were supposed to make the truth your own.

Well since it is and always has been you can't let anyone take it from you.

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Cats and Dogs should not be spayed or neutered!

by IMHO in

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a controversial subject that hasn't been talked about here for 10 years (or so it seems on my quick search).. .

i think it's wrong to spay or neuter.

i bet most of you will disagree.. my vet just called me an irresponsible owner for refusing to have my cat spayed..

gubberningbody

IMHO is a troll.

Opinions are shit.

What informs your opinion is what I want to hear.

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Mr. Coffee

by RayPublisher in

does anybody remember the old apostate guy they called mr. coffee?

back in the late 80s when i was at brooklyn he would dress in a suit, have a book bag, and come and stand in front of the 124 bldg or sometimes over by the towers hotel.

he'd easily put in auxillary pioneer hours.

gubberningbody

I heard about him and hoped I'd get to see him when we visted Bethel. We were there the day the Statue of Liberty was rededicated. I remember parking under the Brooklyn Bridge somewhere. We did see him, but he was quiet when he saw me.

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Were you Stalked or Chased After Once you Exited the JW's by Elders ?

by flipper in

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i tried to fade off the map by moving 30 miles initially in 2004 after i exited in late 2003 .

the first several years they didn't bother me.

i ran into a elder from my former congregation in late 2005 in an antique store - he tried telling me i was wrong for stopping attending meetings.

gubberningbody

Flipper, I suspect they are waiting in a dormant state like hungry fleas in an abandoned apartment complex.

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Any born-ins have this attitude about converts?

by Nambo in

so there was this great gang of us, from south london, manchester and wolverhampton, went to socialise with a group in fishguard in wales.. amongst the conversations one of the single sisters stated, "i could never marry anybody who used to be in the world".. i guess a lifetime of knocking on doors had given her the impression there couldnt possibly be a convert in her midst, never mind later alone with her in her mgb.. so whats with this, did you think we had rat scabies or were possesed by demons or something?.

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gubberningbody

As a person who was a convert, I was always suspicious of born-in's because they never really made the same kinds of choices that those coming in did. Their experiences were of necessity, completely different and no doubt had their own issues, but I always thought that many of these never would have chosen to become JW's if they hadn't been exposed in the manner that they did.

It doesn't matter now for me though as I've passed beyond apostasy.

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Two Questions for the 'Governing Body'

by The Searcher in

i'm pretty certain in my own mind that certain ones at brooklyn will have been 'assigned' to monitor websites such as this, despite warning the 'flock' that they musn't do the same.

therefore, i expect such ones to pass this on.. my questions may seem "rebellious" to certain ones, but they deserve scriptural, not organizational answers -.

why are we as a worldwide brotherhood, urged to expend ourselves as much as possible in the ministry, discussing and defending with complete strangers our bible based beliefs, (1 peter 3:15) and yet we are expressly forbidden from doing so with our brothers and sisters?

gubberningbody

Moral inconsistency may be called "New Light", but that doesn't make it so.

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New YouTube video - Anthony Morris warns us against the horrors of higher education

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzcneuuajvg.

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cedars.

gubberningbody

Point #1:

Philosophy 1 & 2 are not required in any curriculum except perhaps philosophy. These are electives.

Point #2:

People aren't going to college because the expect to get everlasting life from it.

Point #3:

Every religious group exposed to college changes its attitude to a degree because of coming in close contact with people of differing backgrounds. Seeing these people up close makes formerly narrow-minded people soften their perhaps condemnatory attitudes againt other people.

Point #4:

Anthony Morriss has his hands full defending the idea that one so-called blood fraction is a DF'ing offense whereas another isn't. What's his basis?

Because we're the Vicar of Christ as a body, not because the scriptures support any delination.

Point #5:

This business of closed judicial committees runs counter to the pattern in the OT where all cases were public and held at the city gates by the older men.

Point #6:

I'm late to my philosophy class!