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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

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  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  2bfound:

  It sounds like your caught into circular reasoning.

  I'm not the one defending the un-created creator, stemming from nowhere.
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  2bfound

  Ianao, you see now you went and got mad. No need for that.

  LOL

  But then again maybe you are mad... Monkey-alien?

  Not my theories 2b. (please re-read my previous post to you).

  Let me catch my breath... Ok well monkey-aliens huh? ah... what planet or solar systems where these hybrids from? and I guess it's only befitting to ask who seeded this superior monkey- alien hybrid bypedal geneticaly altered race? and then ah... who seeded them and ah... who seeded them and ahhhh... who seeded them?
  It sounds like your caught into circular reasoning.

  Try reading sitchen's materials yourself for answers to your questions.

  To re-quote myself....

  ianao to 2bfound: Now, in regards to your alternative view to the various "evolutions", you should take a look at the writings of Zechariah Sitchen, as he references archeological evidence of more ancient texts then the biblical cannon you no doubt read on a daily basis that indicate a race of people that knew more about our solar system than we did today (until recently). He also, using your same misunderstanding of evolution, theorizes that we are monkey-alien hybrids from another solar system, planted here as a genetic experement. He refers to the thousands of genetic flaws that reside in our DNA as opposed to animals and the similarities in our DNA to primates as proof of his claims.

  Hence my recommendation that you read his materials as you may see why you are both wrong. But in leu of your previous posts, I seriously doubt it will be of much use to you.

  Looks like you still have a reading comprehension problem.
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  2bfound:

  Ianao, you sound like your taking your ball and going home?
  Sorry if I offended you.
  If talkorigins is all you got, then I'll wait for something better.

  LOL. You do that. Meanwhile hell freezuth over whilst thou waitest.

  BTW: You don't offend me at all, in fact, you amuse me greatly.

  and since our conversation was just going around in circles then what is the point.

  That tends to happen when you try to upset a world-view based on ideaology rather than what one can see. I know it's a defense mechanism you imploy, and I understand. Still, I can't help but be amused.

  Now, in regards to your alternative view to the various "evolutions", you should take a look at the writings of Zechariah Sitchen, as he references archeological evidence of more ancient texts then the biblical cannon you no doubt read on a daily basis that indicate a race of people that knew more about our solar system than we did today (until recently). He also, using your same misunderstanding of evolution, theorizes that we are monkey-alien hybrids from another solar system, planted here as a genetic experement. He refers to the thousands of genetic flaws that reside in our DNA as opposed to animals and the similarities in our DNA to primates as proof of his claims.

  You should read some of his material. He makes very good sense on many issues, especially on the sumerian tablet translations that he derived most of his speculative work from.

  Of course, I know you will never want to BELIEVE that you are a monkey-alien hybrid, as this would undermine the ideal that you so strongly adhere to.

  It's funny though, to see both of you using similar arguments debunking something you don't fully understand for the sake of promoting your own views, even down to your bipedal argument. Two people so strung out on what something SHOULD be, instead of what something IS.
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  2bfound:

  For every effect there is a cause and if there is a cause there is a causer

  Who/What is God's causer?
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  2bfound:

  mirror?... outside, neighbor? Thats it?.....
  Talkorigins...give me a break
  been there done that, goes the phrase.
  good bye Ianao.

  Yep that's right. Talkorigins is one of the better sites that deal directly with the subject matter and the retort the pseudo-arguments folks like you come up with. No need to re-invent the wheel if Jerry down the street already knows how to make one.

  Besides, it's better to back up what you say rather than play on someone's lack of research/understanding for the sake of self-justification.

  Sorry for butting in on your convo with Zep, but "evolution as it stands provides no reasonable answers for some of the greater questions" to you because you don't quite understand what evolution is all about. I also suspect that your personal biases on what is considered "reasonable" will most likely prevent you from doing so any time soon.
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  ianao

  Ianao, I think reading comprehention is here the problem but not by me.

  Thinking can be dangerous, can't it?

  Let me repeat it again, working model, an example, A REPEATABLE EVENT BY WHICH WE CAN OBSERVE, you know "science".

  Ok... Look in the mirror. Then go outside and look at your neighbor. Then you will see the direct evidence you require.

  That was a pretty graf but not very realistic.
  Which polymers and chemicals bonded?
  what where the conditions, agents?
  why can we not replicate this process in the lab?

  Go to http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-abiogenesis.html and look for yourself. I'm not going to cut and paste a bunch of crap onto this board as it's a waste of space.

  and finally what and I repeat what simple cell organism has become more complex? give one example.

  Look at bacteria under a microscope.

  Friend, just stick to the questions not the pretty theory. Again simple organisms are highly complex. It is what is called irreducibly complex; Meaning an organism cannot be irreducibly simple as compared to a more complex one just less adaptable or efficient. The old mouse trap example, 5 parts to a mouse trap if you are missing one part you don't trap 10% less mice. You trap NONE.
  Regards
  Rb.

  *YAWN*. Please check out http://www2.evansville.edu/evolutionweb/answer1.html for why you've invented your own straw man in regards to this.
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  2bfound:

  Give me a working model; You just skipped the transition between single cell division and multi cell replication.
  Read the post again, my question is not the mechanics.

  I already admitted at not being a professional in the field. I just know what I was taught in school. Your "miracle" is addressed in the theory of abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is a work in progress.
  
  

  Again, produce the evidence of a working model, single cell transforming to a multi cell reproduction, simultaneously with another in order to accomplish this reproductive feat. The miracle is in the coordination of these two cells to agree to start reproducing this way. Suddenly!!!

  Ok, you want the evidence of a working model... Look in the mirror.

  Seriously, many ascribe to the theory that one or more prokaryotes (bacteria) were engulfed by larger prokaryotes and became organelles for the once simpler prokaryote. Giving form to the eukaryotes that comprise US and other protozoans today through the symbiosis of the two or more individual cells within the larger cell. Look up mitochondria (sp?) and it's differing DNA structure to the surrounding cell. The "single cells" theoretically were replicating before the eukaryotes came about, so the eukaryotes are doing the same thing that the prokaryotes did, essentially because the WERE prokaryotes.

  ref: http://dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu/~pgore/students/w96/joshbond/symb.htm

  Your other mistake is you assumed that cells, be it single or multi are simple. Michael Behe's book "Darwins black box" deals with just this "irreducible complexity". A cell is very complex, DNA has proved that.

  LOL. Looks like you are ASSuming something. I said: "Single-cellular organisms becoming more complex over billions of years", not the cells. In comparision to a multi-cellular organism, a single-celular organism is SIMPLER.

  Just for kicks, here's an interesting theory about the origins of DNA itself...
  http://www.alaskagold.com/thedoc/dna.html

  BTW, I'll go back to school if you'll brush up on your reading comprehension.
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  Evolution Anyone???

  by Steve Josef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read alot of posts and it seems that though you all (or most) have left the kh, you still believe in a "father" or a "jesus" that created everything.

  since i too and one that left the kh, i have delved into science and have come the conculsion that god does not exist in a spirit form, but is life itself.

  the "creator" of all things is evolution.

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  ianao

  2bfound:

  Single-cell organisms replicate themselves through division.

  Multi-cell organisms replicate themselves through the same method. DNA in the cells of the parents deermine what organisms come about.

  This "big gap" that you seem to see as so miraculous is nothing more than direct evidence of evolution at work. Single-cellular organisms becoming more complex over billions of years. The complexity comes about by refurbishing of genes through reproduction that were lost by divisions over time. Hence the need for reproduction to replinish the gene pool by two organisms instead of the one organism splitting it's cells again and again.

  NOTE: ianao made an A way back when in biology, he is not a geneticist. If you have a problem with my point of view because I am not a "professional" in this field, then you likewise need to close your bible and get a hobby because YOU ARE NOT GOD.
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  Wrong date

  by tattoogrl333 in

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  hello i'm new to the whole jw study thing, but they said it fell in 607 but due to the advice of others here i looked it up.

  i found in 3 encyclopedia's online that it fell in 586. i printed them out and am going to get more.

  i'm going to show the lady i study with, i'm just curious what you think will happen, and if she will try to deny it.

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  GodRules:

  Very interesting post there. Did you notice that they were expecting the end of the Gentile Times instead of the beginning of the ending of the Gentile Times (as scholar, a loyal dub stated)?

  Jeez, I guess I would have come to that conclusion myself if "the end" hadn't come and I didn't want to admit that I was full of crap.

  "Hey, since it's not ended yet, it must be the beginning of the end!!"

  LOL
  
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  Help for a non-Witness

  by hagey in

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  i'm looking for anyone who is married to a non-witness, or someone who themselves is not a witness but is married to one.

  i'm in desperate need of advice and don't know where else to turn.

  i myself am not a witness but my girlfriend is and our religous differences are forcing us apart.

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  gsark:

  Thank you for totally depressing me.