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  Why Are You Here?

  by larc in

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  the question, "why are you here?

  " is simple enough, and your answer may be straightforward.

  however, when i asked that of myself, i find that my answer is pretty complicated.

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  ianao

  Hi, I am Steve and I am a religioholic.

  I read this forum because I find it amusing to see so many people wrapped up in another whole reality compared to the one just outside my door here. It's really funny watching my fellow idiots distract themselves from their desolate state on this lump of crap called "earth".

  I post here occasionally as open communication (hah hah) with others keeps me from running a knife through my chest and solving all of my immediate problems.

  If you think that I am joking then go screw yourself.

  If you think I'm playing for sympathy then go screw yourself twice.

  If you don't give a damn then screw you anyway.
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  The Informed "Reformer" -- His Mission

  by MDS in

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  the informed "reformer" -- what he knows, what he wishes to achieve.. the informed "reformer" is a humanitarian.

  "victimization" must go.

  "tyranny" must go.

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  Well alrighty MDS, I'm surprised you haven't latched onto your next convert.
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  President Bush and his disclosure headace.

  by Okidok in

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  on august 18, 22 days into her hunger strike, lara announced on.

  take her presidential hunger strike to washington, d.c. and the.

  extraterrestrial craft, technologies, and civilizations by.

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  ianao

  At least SOMETHING is happening. Take a look at this new org that promises the persuit of a cleaner/safer environment through use of scientific principles that many have witness but few take seriously.

  http://motionsciences.org/index_flash.html

  Tallyman, you'll like this one dude!
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  The scariest Place on Earth........

  by spike in

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  no, i'm not referring to the borg palace in n.y. i was watching the tv show where they select a family to spend a night roaming around a haunted island, castle etc.

  now if the god/devil concept isn't right, what causes the energy forces to scare the hell out of those people?

  if this was discussed before, bear with me i'm a newbie trying to figure out what to believe.. never give up, and never under any circumstances, face the facts-r.gordon

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  It's called $$$.
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  HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

  by JT in

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  i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

  this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

  i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

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  Hey again Susan.

  All kidding aside, please remember something
  (BTW, sorry if I offended you...)

  I say again...The Masons -- of whom I am not now nor ever have been a part, though my family has been for many generations -- are not associated with Satanism, are not into molesting little girls, even at the 33rd Degree level, do not kill people, do not deny Jesus Christ, do not have symbols that are fertility symbols or other sexually-linked symbols, and are not out to overthrow the government.

  You say you are not a Mason. The Masons tell others they are not a religion. Fine.

  JWs are told many things when they are looking "in" from the outside, and then the rules change drastically once they are "in" the club, so to speak. Of course, there are always witness "sympathisers" who will swear up and down on 30 stacks of bibles that the witnesses are NOT a cult and ridicule ex witnesses and others who claim they are.

  One COULD say that you have such a jim-dandy opinion of the Masons because they want you to be a member of their club (family ties?) and don't want you to think bad of them. Besides, from what I've heard and heard others say (even the son of a Master Mason (3rd Deg)) they won't tell you anything until you ARE a member of their "club" anyway. So there is really no way for you or I to know. I have seen others become members of this "club" and quickly clam up and refuse to discuss anything with others. My first reaction is... If nothing is wrong... why won't you discuss it? The answer is always... Why don't you come see what we are all about. Sorry, but that sounds like a witness telling me to get the "truth" about witnesses by coming to their kingdom hall.

  Using your logic, the witnesses have a right to oppose the "appostate" witnesses on this board because they are full of crap and don't know what their talking about regarding true christianity because they decided to go against God's channel. What a wonderful way to keep things wrapped up in a neat little ball and keep members in line.

  Anyway, I personally don't give a rip about what magic someone wants to have in their life, but I'm just saying that you are betraying your own "skepticism" of others by attacking what is basically a matter of your own opinion (as you are not a Mason). Yes, people could say the same to me, and I say, go right ahead! I'm not claiming ultimate truth, as I've discovered the concept of ultimate truth is a complete joke.

  -iyato no eska
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  HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

  by JT in

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  i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

  this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

  i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

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  SusanHere:

  I'm sooooo impressed by your class, tact, intelligence, and thorough knowledge of my (and probably every other female's) physique and character!

  Likewise. I am thoroughly impressed by your ability to blow smoke straight out of your own anus without getting singed. BTW, how's Will Cantres doing these days? Does he still require a child sacrifice by the masters or will he now settle for any little half-breed off the street? I remember him getting pissed when you didn't draw the pentagram just right and I suspect he is still quite the prefectionist.

  Well, enough reminiscing with the evil vile disgusting thing. I'm going to go buy my way into heaven now so it will be returned to me ten hundred thousand fold or some such. Just be careful, because the friends are mobilizing a lynch mob and I understand that the port-a-john that you all use for worship is our next target.

  buh bye.
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  The branch coordinator wept during his convention

  by Liquidizer in

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  the local branch office coordinator, mr. kankaanpaa, delivered the final speech in the summer convention held in tampere, the third largest city here in finland, and demanded all the ex-jw's to return back to the org.

  suddenly he began to weep.

  when he got his emotions under control, he instantly returned to the tradiotional wt phraseology: threats, intimitation and almost name calling (you know, that apostate stuff).

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  ianao

  Maybe he realized for a brief moment that he was completely full of crap.
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  HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

  by JT in

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  i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

  this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

  i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

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  SusanNotAllThere:

  Shut up you satanic devil-bitch.
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  Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot

  by AlanF in

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  since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.

  the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.

  in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.

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  Dunny:

  DS: No, it does not mean THAT. It just means that I try to read any journal critically and adjudicate its veracity in the light of reason and the preponderance of available evidence.

  What a load of BS. Let's read a critical analysis from you of one of the WT's recent articles that you theoretically "disagree" with. Oh, lemme guess... They don't make mistakes these days, right?
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  Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot

  by AlanF in

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  since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.

  the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.

  in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.

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  I don't think there was really anything at all to win here actually, but I have to give AF his "props" for proving his point.

  Seems to me that Russell's actions showed that he at least liked the idea of being the faithful and wise steward and never rejected his wife's or anyone else's view of it. As a matter of fact, he would have been an idiot to reject it as it was giving him more of this odd spiritual charisma that other "messiahs" on this board seem to enjoy.

  If you all want a modern-day example of what most likely was happening in the late 1800s to early 1900s, then take a look at some of the older postings of a gentleman who posts here by the name of MDS. You will see that up until his posts regarding "scapegoat arrangements" he was making good headway with mind-melding others on this board into thinking that he may have just been a second offerring from God, chosen to preach in these "last days".

  The whole basis of his arguments were presenting "scriptural arguments" showing the need of a new "position" to be filled spiritually, along with the attributes of said person, then slowly introducing the idea through implication that perhaps HE was the one filling that position.

  MDS was pretty good until he started making blatant statements about his perceived "role" in God's plan and received direct attacks from other "Christ messengers" posting on this board which drove his "scirptural" arguments into oblivion.

  Anyway, to make a long story short, I believe that this type of situation was occurring back at the beginning of this century with Russell and his followers. He kept implying what he thought they SHOULD believe until they believed it. Of course he would never ADMIT to it publicly because unlike MDS Russell was smart enough to know that if he were to declare it publicly then he would be called a liar if it was discovered to be a falsehood by other "messiah people". So he played it safe and allowed others to draw the conclusions he desired others to reach.

  The WT in more recent times have handled each of their "prohetic notions" in this similar manner. Pronounce "the end" at say... 1975. Puff up people's hopes with specious assertions and implications, then when it doesn't happen it's the fault of the believers for believing what they were encouraged to believe. Oh of course the WT never SAID anything directly, so it's not their fault! Just forget where the readers got the idea came from!