Life without religion is so much easier to live.
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Posts by ianao
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19Life without Religion
by edwkey inlike many of you i dedicated many years of my life searching for the "true" faith or religion.. after researching and considering religion i came to the conclusion that there is not such.
i decided to worship god in my own temple.
i hope you find yours.. the force be with you all !!!
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Dont try this At home, Folks!
by Englishman ina very close acupuncturist friend of mine told me that there is an instant cure for anyone who catches that nasy summer fungal infection known as "athletes foot".. basically, when you take your shower, you pee on your infected feet and the cure is almost instant.. i, however, now intend to get some antiseptic cream from the chemist, just as soon as i have finished screaming.. englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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ianao
Englishman:
Have a heart man! Now I have yellow feet and no job. That's what I get for playing technicalities with "Dont try this At home, Folks!"
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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ianao
God_Knows:
In all fairness to you, I will admit that I too have been guilty in using man-made reasoning to reconcile scripture (DUH!)
I will say that back when I took the trinitarian point of view instead of the view I carry now, I always spent more time inventing ways that things were done and reconciling the doctrine with scripture that didn't quite fit. I find that the 'Arian' point of view is easier to argue with far more clearly written scripture to back you up instead of writing pages and pages to explain one or two verses which was commonly necessary from a trinitarian point of view.
Sorry, but I simply got tired of trying to understand a perception of God and liking it to water vapor/Ice/Liquid or the Microsoft Office suite.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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IANAO
Remember that the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the Prince of Demons. THAT is true blasphemy.I agree. denouncing the will of God as the work of the devil.
Denying the truth about Jesus, as I once did, calling Him a good man, good teacher, but not God....that is defaming the MAN.
I thought we were discussing blasphemy, not defamation. Besides, what you've just said is not logical. Technically, wouldn't denying his God-hood be defaming his divine status? (the spirit?) Argh! Now I remember why I dropped this silly doctrine, nevermind!
God_Knows, you seem to assume that thinking of Jesus as the good teacher and man that he was in scripture is comparable to declaring God's work as the work of the devil if you deny the tenants of a man-made doctrine. (trinity) That makes absolutely no sense at all. But hey, to each his own! Keep reading, and don't be surprised if you continue to not understand 50% of what you read in the scriptures.
Yet I was forgiven, and I know it, for God speaks to me and my husband all the time.
Okie dokie.
Paul too spoke against the MAN in the flesh, but not God. the Father.
That's right. It's because he was directing his comments to God's son Jesus, not God himself. But FAR BE IT FOR ME to read what's in scripture instead of using my imagination. Sorry, never been good at that.
Read Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1, Rev. 1, and YOU tell me what you think they mean. All you can say to me is that I have no understanding, and yet you cannot answer me rightly. You will not give me a straight answer in return.
Isaiah 9:6:
I have read these verses before. (Don't forget Immanuel (God with us)!) Several attributes of the messiah are rendered, including his being a counseler, mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace. Yes, Jesus would be a wonderful counseler and a mighty God presiding as the everlasting Father over the creation created through him by his Father in the beginning as the Prince of Peace. A clear reading of the gospels, taking into account the miracles Jesus performed by his Father's will reinforce this verse.John 1:1:
Taking into account the unique writing style of John, this verse tells me that the Word was with God in the beginning and was like God (divine). It does not reveal a mysterious trinity to me. Sorry!Rev 1:1:
A revelation of Jesus given to him by his Father for the express purpose of showing his servants things which must happen shortly. (John delivered the message as sent by an angel).The imagry and symbolism in the entire book of revelation can be interpreted many different ways. Especialy with several verses being controversial. What you see as a revelation of the Alpha and Omega at Patmos in the trinitarian sense, I see as a confused Apostle relating information coming from God by Jesus then through the angel, while not quite being sure of who is speaking from his vision. To be honest, the book of revelation is one of the major problems I have with the scriptures. Not because it shows me a trinity, but because it is thoroughly confusing.
Peace and blessings to you
Peace to you, as blessings may not be what they seem.
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McVeigh vs Death Penalty
by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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ianao
To all against the death penalty:
What would you suggest once over-crowding of jails became an issue? The newest jail could have been a health clinic for the homeless. Just curious.
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ROBOCOP (JanH): PROVE I'M COWBOY
by AcapulcoGold inrobocop i'd hate to see this classic representative gem of your comprehensive stupidity hidden away in some dim dark little recess of this site for you to sneak away from and others not to enjoy:.
"cowboy", a new id here, wrote: .
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ianao
I LOVE ASSertions almost as much as ASSumptions.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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God_Knows:
IANAO, I am not changing my beliefs in any way nor would I ever change to suit the status quo.
I don't want you to change your beliefs. There is no 'status quo' to suit as far as I'm concerned. I personally don't see any problem with you believing what you WANT to believe, because in my opinion you are going to believe it until you die, and then after that your belief will have literally out-lived it's purpose.
And I get labeled a fruitcake all the time thanks....
No offense, but I can see why.
Jesus is fully God AND fully man.You, as Paul did, can be forgiven for blaspheming the MAN.
More man-made reasoning to reconcile uncomprehended scripture. Suit yourself, as we all do.
To Paul, Jesus was just a man, nothing more; to many people around the world, He is just a man, and they speak evil of him all the time, and those that believe He is God.
OK. So now one would ask, how do you properly address the holy spirit within Jesus to blaspheme it and NOT be forgiven under a triune God (according to you)? Can't you see what you are doing? You are modifying your beliefs with qualifications as the issues come up. You said before that you COULDN'T blaspheme Jesus without blaspheming God because he is part of the triune God. Now you are saying that you can 'blaspheme the man' who is part of the (1in3, 3in1) God and can be forgiven for it. That's fine for you to say, but your contradicting your own logic earlier. So I guess you HAVE modified your beliefs, whether you wanted to or not.
NOTE: I was asking you a question, not trying to convert you to anything.
But some do learn the truth and can be forgiven.
Let's rephrase this to what it really means (although you may not want to admit it):
"But some do learn what I, God_Knows, believe to be the truth and can be forgiven from my perception of God."
God_Knows, you can't call something truth that others argue as false, your standing then becomes an opinion, or "true to you" and nothing more. You've already partialy got this down as you call these beliefs you have 'my beliefs' which is true. If you completely reconcile that these are YOUR BELIEFS and not some ULTIMATE TRUTH you will have a far easier time protecting your world view from being shattered by others. Then again, you may not have a problem with ignoring what other people say.
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Do they try too hard to be 'normal?'
by LDH init has occurred to me recently, that a lot of the behavior of jws in good standing is done to trick themselves and others into thinking they're normal.
when in fact, they're not.. example:.
when a young jw man goes to a 'gathering' he will drink one beer loudly and proclaim how good cold beer is!
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ianao
I think they do try to be normal. I can't say I blame them either.
About 3 1/2 years ago I met a man. I will refer to this man as T.
T was a nice fellow who loved sports, a good joke (clean joke), and a good drink every now and then. He also enjoyed a good looker and helped right along with us egotistical fellows eye-out a foxy lady every now and again.
Fast forward 3 months later after knowing/working with this fellow on a regular basis...
T was a nice fellow who loved sports, had no sense of humor, and never drank with anyone else besides people he only spoke of but would never introduce us to (from his own admissions). He also heartily avoided looking at the opposite sex, let alone making "guy-talk" oriented comments.
All this happened AFTER he informed us that he was a witness. He was born into the religion, and an active part of it when we met. It was only by accident that we discovered he was a witness when a "friend" of his came over to our table at a restaurant one afternoon and started asking strange questions about "the next study", etc. It turns out he was talking to what he later admitted was a bible study he was conducting.
After this change, talking with T was a quite boring and superficial experience. He never went into any great depth on anything unless we brought up the topic of religion. Of couse, he no longer took the stance of: "Everyone has the right to their beliefs, as long as it doesn't hurt others" rather he adhered to: "We witnesses have the only true religion on earth today!"
What was he ashamed of? Or is that stupid question!? ROTFL.
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ROBOCOP (JanH): PROVE I'M COWBOY
by AcapulcoGold inrobocop i'd hate to see this classic representative gem of your comprehensive stupidity hidden away in some dim dark little recess of this site for you to sneak away from and others not to enjoy:.
"cowboy", a new id here, wrote: .
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ianao
Cowboy:
Glad to have you with "us".
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ROBOCOP (JanH): PROVE I'M COWBOY
by AcapulcoGold inrobocop i'd hate to see this classic representative gem of your comprehensive stupidity hidden away in some dim dark little recess of this site for you to sneak away from and others not to enjoy:.
"cowboy", a new id here, wrote: .
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ianao
dark clouds:
Ianao long time man how have you been???
I'm just fine thanks. I figured I'd start opening my trap some more after some time off lurking/ignoring the nonsense. Hopefully we can watch each other's back and we won't get fragged from behind in this "war of the worlds".
Hope you are doing well on this "fine tuesday". LOL.
Take care.