on may 19th, theodore jaracz had a stroke.
he's in very serious condition in the hospital.. that's all the information i have for now.. barb.
Shouldn't most people be calling in and hoping the man dies ASAP so he can gain his prize? If he truely is such an annointed and faithful man that would be a proper wish from everyone around him
Keeping him alive longer than necessary or even administering aid to him would be keeping him alive for no good reason since it would be keeping him away from him gaining his prize.
how can jw's confess belief in jesus christ when they do not believe in his own words when he speaks of heaven???
jesus compared heaven in many parables, yet the jw's claim that the "new earth" is where they are going.
also, the belief that jesus was here in 1914(?
"JW" are Christians just like all other religions who claim to be Christian. They follow a group of men just like all other religions follow a leader(s).
New Testament or Greek Scriptures teach heaven and just as many parts of the bible, the writings are not very clear on the subject as to all going there, all having that hope, or few going there - thus Watch Tower uses their interpretation to fit their leader's agenda and the rest follow that line. It's no different from other religions teaching their own interpretations of heaven, hell, purgatory and all the other unknown.
Now for Holy Spirit claim. Who has received holy spirit in our time? I don't believe anyone has. One can claim to have recieved it but I don't buy into these bogus claims. If God did act through a group where He used Holy Spirit to guide and direct them, there would be signs of it. The bible says what the outcome was in the first century of activities of Holy Spirit and these were to cease. I don't see any true prophesing, healing or raising of the dead in our time. To claim that "I have a holy spirit because I go out and preach" is totally bogus just as those claiming to have the spirit who mumble unknown jibrish where no one benefits. When bible speaks of holy spirit it always points to a benefit and a reason for the spirit to be aquired by the individual for the time being. No where does it say that the individuals were full of spirit their entire lives as if the spirit was part of them or part of their personality.
Basically most "Christians" are followers of an individual(s) interpretation of scripture who claims better understanding than that of another "Chrisitian" leader. "JW"s for most part live their lives closer to the scriptual Christian moral code than other religious followers even though they believe in bogus beliefs taught by governing body which is not as if other religions don't sell their own versions of bogus beliefs to their followers.
he sends his christian love to all.. he is 87 now.
feeling his age.. cynthia is also having .
heart problems.
Ray's Crisis of Conscience was a best book I've read thus far and paints Ray as a very humble person even after putting up with WT$ slander for so many years he doesn't pass judgement upon the borg. Great man in my books and only if GB could have that attitude.
" users of this phrase are anything but sorry.
what they mean is "i'm an asshole.
now i'm going to prove it.
anything with word "truth" refering to WT$ religion. Just get's me MAD and annoyed and makes me correct the speaker every single time
has anyone who has attended a district convention this year seen any protestors or demonstrators?.
have you ever protested or demonstrated or maybe even handed out literature at a convention or assembly?
what happened?
Just as people join WT religion so the same way people leave. If one was spiritually seeking something and came in contact with "JW"s and got pulled in so in a similar manner those "JW" who break free of WT grip and look for answers will find the truth about WT$ and will leave. Those who are contend in their state of life, or within their religion will not leave because they are not seeking truth nor do they care.
Demonstrations may only help those already questioning certain teachings or have doubts about some teaching which the protests may incline the doubter to research more or be encouraged that he/she is not the only one that sees the point the placards may state. The 99% of others will ignore the signs, will feel enpowered for "suffering for the truth" and will be encouraged to believe that they've got the truth.
I personally wouldn't waste my time on such activity since I've wasted enough of my life going to meetings and reading WTS publication and now getting over this shit I'm still thinking about the lies I've been taught. My view is that if "JW"s don't talk to me I don't talk to them and I feel these were never my true friends and were a waste of my breath talking to. I never wanted those sort of friends and why would I waste my breath on them now? There are many people out there that are genuine and better to help than "JW"s.
this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
When witnesses Go on the door they offer the paradise hope and knowledge of Jehovah first and address whatever questions that come up, this is a lot different going from door to door with a saul-like spirit say these people are evil, demons and paedophiles etc. If you cannot see the difference then you haven't read the greek scriptures.
This difference is your motivations
Do you want to destroy a religion
or offer people a new one?
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You mean like Watch Tower doesn't make money? You mean when people knowing the truth offer to point out facts they are labeled apostates? You mean when people point out what the bible teaches they are kicked out of the kingdom halls and many loose all their friends and many of their family members? You mean to tell me that Jesus would bless Watch Tower for doing that? Or is it in fact when he returns he will judge Watch Tower as an apostate christianity just as all the rest religion but individuals will be judged accoring to Christ's criteria for preserving faithful and destroying the wicked. New covenant and the temple money changers have nothing in common and the time frame has nothing to do with one another. Are you saying that Watch Tower offers people something similar to what Jesus died for? You mean the basic Watch Tower doctrine that isn't taught in the bible like 1914 is something that people need to accept not to be viewed as those deserving death at Armageddon? You mean Watch Tower's scandels in the last 130 years need to be forgotten while scandels of other religions need to be heralded from the roof tops? Is that what Christ wanted? Is that what Christ taught? Christ taught the truth and that's not what Watch Tower teaches. Your denial of reality should make you a great candidate for bethal service unless you're already there.
Destroy religion of offer a new one? I would choose destroy religion, another religion is just more crap coming down from some men on top and who need it?
this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
Maybe we should ask ourselves if we follow Jesus's example who threw out money changers out of the temple for just as He seen their greed and evil intentions so do many here see the same spirit in the leadership of Watch Tower.
BTW - this is WTS discussion site that is why most topics relate to it, doesn't mean that other religions are any better as all religion
just a couple of set of ground rules i would like to set for this.
frequently, one of two options for those who want to leave jw's are 1) a purposeful, public, resignation (or disassociation as jw's call it) vs 2) what is commonly called in the ex jw internet world, "the fade".
i know that emotions run deep on this subject for good reason, because of what is at stake, and all that is perceived to be lost.
I didn't like going out selling WT publications so I haven't for most of my time I was under WT influence. However odd it may be, I went out with WT junk once in the last 11 years or so. The last time was in '07 which I don't know why I done it but I did. The elder asked me if I enjoyed it and I said no. And didn't go out again and I didn't mark the slip for the hour that I did go out. I was irregular meeting attender but elders never bothered me too much or at least I don't remember them trying to "encourage" me in that way. In 2005 or 2006 I found out about UN scandel which didn't rock my boat too much. In 2007 I found out about the settlements with victims of pedophile lawsuits in May. I knew there was something more to the pedophile payout which I started to look into. 2007 was also a year when I came in contact with an eye opening book - Thy Kingdom Come which really oppened my eyes as to the truth about WTS doctrine. In Jan or Feb of 2008 I stopped everything to do with WT and began to start researching the history and doctrine and all that. After finding out as much as I had, and realizing that GB are decievers and confirming to myself that what I've been discovering about them being factually acurate I knew I had to DA myself. Luckly for me, none of my side of the family belong to WT so it was somewhat easy on my part. Last month I handed in my DA latter and am viewed as an apostate :) I love it, it's great to be free of mind control and bullshit that comes with following GB lies. My wife's entire family is in the Borg but I don't speak to them that much and those that talk to me I consider decent enough to consider them family or friends and those that don't - well who needs them anyways?
I wish my wife was stronger and would wake up since I have a feeling she knows I am right but doesn't want to admit it so when I throw some WT BS at her she doesn't say nothing. But I image that since her entire family is in the BS religion she won't make a move until they rock the boat too much and finally wake her up. It's her heritage after all - as she claims.
For me, I rather know who my true friends are than live a double life. My family didn't abandon me when I left Catholic BS religion and that's the beauty of true family and friends. If that's not what I had within the WT religion then these people were/are not worth my time spend talking to them. Freedom is great but the hurt feelings remain and I know the healing process varies from person to person. I hold grudges so I know these feelings will stick around for several years but knowing who I can trust is way better than living a lie thinking that you can trust your friends or family when in fact many of those wil sell you out for what you stand for or will take a word of strangers rather than your word. Those type of friends I have no need for and treat them as non existant. My good friend whom I knew since childhood proved to be of those trusting GB and I told him to have a good life and that's where that friendship went, I don't regret it and I don't need scum in my life.
I hate the cult mentality and I view it as cancer. When you discover it you want to get it out ASAP! Longer you wait the deeper it will eat at you.
yes, i am enjoying realizing the truth about the truth.. but there is another side to it.
the world as we know it didn't seem to me to be the way that god intended it to be.
i know i was brainwashed, but it felt good believing that all the bad things would be changed.
TD: That's bang on! That is exactly how I reason with witnesses who don't seem to reason on the WT peradise dream too deeply.
i don't understand their mode of operation.. if they want lots of growth, why don't they just lighten up a bit and dispense with the whole charade of harshness and disfellowshipping.
encourage charitable works, social gatherings, education, freedom of speech, having a family etc etc etc.
this would greatly increase their numbers and their bottom line $$.. they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot at the moment.
For a while they've been masking themselves as God or Christ. Couple months ago, they had that article where they claimed that Jehovah and Jesus trust governing body......... There are other recent articles with similar theme running that governing body is God directed and God's only organization and all need to obey it. How many times do they write/say that Jehovah says...... when in fact it is GB who says...(BS)... They are trying to control r&f more and more.
They are clamping down on members and forcing them to choose them over everyone else. How many normal people would listen to voice of strangers than their own family and friends? JWs do that everyday! They will shun friends and family only because GB teaches them to.
GB is definitly upto something rotten and I'm guessing another end of the world is imminent. I don't think they will say a date just as they were implying 1975 but I think they will push an imminent great tribulation which IMO this recession will feel like to many within a year or two. A major recession or global depression will definitly help them in a very short time bring in cult like personallities into their herd as people out of fear will look for survival. Similar increases as pre-1975 should occur as many uneducated DFed people will flee back into "Noah's Ark" only to be disappointed one last time. This may spark the 2014 attitude where JWs will remember that Jesus returned in 1914 so as logical as all their dates are, it would be logical for 2014 to usher a final salvation for all those following GB all these years. As that fantasy passes by IMO that will devestate WTS and hopefully it won't fade but just crash and burn.
Ray Franz called them victims of other victims which is one statement I truely don't agree on with Ray on. People that have the facts presented and know the facts are no longer victims. GB are not victims but control freaks. They're old enough that I doubt they care what happends to anyone the rule over. Jaracz surely didn't care about child abuse victims and I would be surprised if other GB memeber care any more? They perpetuate the cult mentality and are pushing people around like Catholic Church did in the middle ages but there is too much info out there that it's just another major slip up and her waters will dry up and people will wake up from their sleep. Question is when that happends how many of these JWs will be totally messed up when it occurs to many at once instead as it's happened to many of us as a minority within the congregations. A major blow and realization of facts to many at once could create one big mess - suicides and depression. But I think that time is coming as GB can't tighten the screws much longer and feeding rank and file members the closeness of the end without something going majorly wrong for them. I don't think the event will be a fader style..
