olin r. moyle was the society's attorney from about 1930 to 1939. he authored several of the society's legal publications.
he later became increasingly disenchanted with the moral tone of bethel, especially the harsh and obscene language judge rutherford used (often in print) and what he considered to be excessive drinking there.
when moyle could no longer tolerate the situation, he wrote a letter to rutherford with his complaints, rutherford responded by promptly expelling him and his wife from bethel.
RR: Would all these legal documents be available to the public from the University? Maybe I'll give them a call and see if they can email me the copies. For some odd reason I ended up collecting everything that has to do with WT$ after I DA myself how strange that is
I'm still looking for legal documents in Russell's various court battles.
well i have been wanting to tell this story for some time now.
does anyone believe that a person is better becoming a jw?
i ask this question because i have carried this around with me for some years now.
DJ: Sounds like you feel a bit guilty for not getting her into studying. Problem is that her personal problems would not be solved by another set of problems. Sure she may have changed and followed the WT$ line, but for how long? As long as she followed the party line you might have had a somewhat more stable marriage but what would occur if she ever found out about the WT$ BS? Would she explode or implode? Her character sounds like she would explode and go wild and try to catch up on lost years due to WT$. So one can't tell how things could have been IF..... People sometimes don't think of consequances and that's what killed Tabitha - her love to party. Remember the good times you had with her and try not to feel too guilty for happened since it wasn't your fault.
in the last year the watchtower's public relations department is being inundated with inquiries concerning jehovah's witnesses and their bizarre behaviour.
the recent murder and cannabalism of a three week old baby is the latest in a series of ongoing horrific news articles linking jehovah's witnesses to acts of violent crimes.
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/408515_baby28.html?source=mypi what is causing these problems?
I totally agree with blondie on this one. Most people don't have a clue how people with mental illness act, react and think. I know very little about it but I did have an experiance with my youngest brother who had one bad ass trip after what we believe was caused by "magic mushrooms". He was only 16 at the time but was he ever messed up for several weeks! When I visited him in a hospital and talked to him, he talked to invisibles and asked me if I seen people that weren't there. He was never "JW" nor did he ever study with "JW". We know very little how human mind reacts in these type of scenarios but people are not themselves, many times don't have any recollection of the events that took place. As much as I hate WT$ I can't point fingers at these pricks for what the woman did to her baby.
As comeo-d said, there is no point of having "misleading conference calls" which just makes people view "apostates" as wack jobs just as many of us view GB as scum. There has to be a seperation between reality of WT$ deception and the fantasy that people try to make WT$ to be. There is enough facts that we shouldn't have to make every small incident(not talking about the above news) be blamed on WT$ as not to look like bunch of uneducated, hateful, full of lies people that WT$ loves to potray us as.
just my 2 cents
after being gone from the jw's for many years now , and having done extensive research on the history of god and the belief in him , i can't seem to find any logical way to have a belief in an invisble being up there ruling over us.
how many here still believe?
how many don't?.
Still do but sometimes I do have doubts :(
a book by neil howe and william strauss on what i can tell is about human (cultural) behavior which their theory points to spring, summer fall and winter being the hardest time frame in human culture.
the seasons being some 20-25 years in length.
i just ordered the book so i haven't read it but seems quite interesting and i was wondering if anyone here read it and has any comments on it..
Thanks BF. sounds you enjoyed it. I've heard of it last year and meant to read it earlier but lost the title and author until I was reading another article the other day and the book was mentioned in which I decided to buy it and read it myself. Glad you enjoyed it as I'm looking forwards to reading it.
a book by neil howe and william strauss on what i can tell is about human (cultural) behavior which their theory points to spring, summer fall and winter being the hardest time frame in human culture.
the seasons being some 20-25 years in length.
i just ordered the book so i haven't read it but seems quite interesting and i was wondering if anyone here read it and has any comments on it..
A book by Neil Howe and William Strauss on what I can tell is about human (cultural) behavior which their theory points to spring, summer fall and winter being the hardest time frame in human culture. The seasons being some 20-25 years in length. I just ordered the book so I haven't read it but seems quite interesting and I was wondering if anyone here read it and has any comments on it.
i was in service one day and the sister i was working with said," i will start to enjoy life once the new system comes".
sirens went off in my head.
basically, she was saying she was miserable but would wait till the new system to have any happiness.
Thy Kingdom Come - this book opened my eyes to the shit they taught and that was the book that started my investigation into WT$, the rest is history :)
i'm starting to sense a certain desperation among jws, that they feel that the great tribulation must start soon.
i think this is due, in many cases, to their own personal situation, financial or otherwise.. if the gt doesn't come soon, and these guys really start to suffer - what then?
the watchtower's promises that "jehovah would not forsake them if they put kingdom interests first" by skipping or dropping out of college, turning down promotions, "simplifying" their lives by selling their homes and moving to the hinterlands...will all prove to be meaningless.. if the gt doesn't come soon, and "jehovah" doesn't bail them out...then what?.
Financially speaking are non-JWs in any better situation??? I really doubt it. Generally people like to spend their money on crap they can't affort, be in debt and hope for the best. When times are good people spend more and get themselves in more debt, but a bigger home because homes will "never drop" and refinance the existing home because it needs to be renovated, but a bigger 4x4, etc.... Difference with "JW"s from others is that they think they won't have to pay off their debt because they will see Armageddon solve that problem. This is generally speaking of course. Sure there are those who gave up marriage because the end was near, or who gave up having kids because the end was close or those who sold everything and went pioneering because another dumb ass said the end was imminent - but these people are in the minority and these could be compared to people outside of WT$ who go and party or smoke away their lives. Debt problem is brought about bad education that has programmed people to believe that they can have everything today and pay for it tomorrow and "JW"s like majority of others have followed this road to poverty, sorry I won't blame Brooklyn for this.
I never followed the general rule and always had more than average person and I didn't go to collage which that I will blame for Brooklyn but financly I'm better than most people in or out of WTS. People need to get back to basics and learn to save before they go out and spend and maybe then not only "JW"s would fare better but society in general.
As for simpliflying BS - well that's just BS! We don't see WTS simplyfing so why should anyone else? It's just a good management of personal finances which may need simplyfication due to over abuse of spending habits but not simplification just because some door knob in Brooklyn says the end is near and R&F money could be better spend by being donated to WT$.
how many jws are becoming apostates?
thousands!.
how many apostates are becoming jws?
The first think they should do is allow people to think for themselves. To force people to believe in fairy tales of 1914 is total BS! GB is forcing people to follow their opinions which is too bad. I can see that Russell may have honestly believed in his own BS dates but there is no excuse for Rutherford and the rest of those scum bags! If they stayed with the bible only and not try to include their own opinions on so many matters I wouldn't have a problem being part of the congregations but their dictatorial attitude is self serving and will destroy their religion and I can't wait! They can only sell last days for so long and already people are starting BS of last days of last days and what comes after that - real last days of last days of last days??? It may take a while for blinded people to realize they have been conned but awake they will it's just a matter of time.
are you a believer, agnostic, or nonbeliever?
i'm a believer, but, i get moments of doubt.
i read how it could have been faked.
60/40 Against. If true why didn't they go back since and only plan on going back by around 2020??? If not true they may have tried to fake it couple more times but the technology also improved that it may have been too difficult for them to fake it without being exposed byother countries. My guess prior to the 80s they would have had better chances of pulling off a fraud since the technology IMO was still in it's early stages for Russians or others to prove the fraud a bit more difficult to do so today.
